From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-f169.google.com (mail-yw1-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 743BE3B2A4 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2025 10:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-70f862dbeaeso30646997b3.1 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2025 07:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1749305845; x=1749910645; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=+/hOWHpEfesPO6Ub0nE+vcc9T0Nzl1R+efVn0TGcZVk=; b=NbYbx1X+ENvPaHtdfsFSC32UjSFtO++bQ1Ocb5gIBowxdoyARq5GRrO6g8Af0S/3zU t5l8LeMEBCH2apQg39Eb+E8y4WnFHbD9gP1B3bqR2itWtsYvUK//kp0CQaesb8OwKy6Y VhgHXyBcht2H8j7daZSIC3jU3vG+3plhyoBKijHrFJKAATIfDLIcvyDEMrGc5qdkIBaL m0OcOV+JoCHi6+6/Jr+ctQzYZt7LAi3n6IN2PvNcXEVhfUmRsXPoXWjxZpjmdTs3V6SW HzQcEOw1wI1m2rK14PMyyw2tuK91Jg9397fP57ZIsCx8kNY/y7onIIPiOkEsg/NK/LSi M9OA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUkKUazy6kbdV7ck74pwuvLyu6UQVehl0j+WKzbrqFyDeLO/MjvyHKGmlW1zvQIPSgfur0ZFPJLeA==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzJ9nOcOf4aLBURaQfloZcbjRF0KIzvLe80gxNtB8Pz3SXWpJTU vsh8XEV5N4smflnMZlIRHz5RKmquq7cXAs9dJUab0ohQ4ODA1KRcceuH+LYlUVdgIpOXFl94dgd rzarLluZ2AS32JM3qWm9zHyHG/ZCVQUc= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncskrN7tMV7vHUA62JikP39V+eCJfX2qT9fkCJdwIusuHkwO/6ikfYafL0st2OJ M5rMg+c/7pOQORJBbaFw0tl4krqcWRpnL7+gXbpLNY5C5r4YN20Tb/Fy6kY6N0v5PFa3mxx1Uf0 JDqOfab8NcfoKlFfIuvA+a9mOr5HBwZHbt X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEr0H7AQcpnxGIcmas2Y7rwlQ/CywGKQgv154pHLow9EC1il2HOG7qVuM0HIOmxKhXBdftkJhmkPD/HvG+t4J0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:64ca:b0:703:b3b8:1ca1 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-710f762d3d7mr98691697b3.5.1749305844821; Sat, 07 Jun 2025 07:17:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <399DD5AE-312E-4E9A-B8C1-1CB06D2E6425@olegkutkov.me> In-Reply-To: From: J Pan Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2025 07:17:13 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AX0GCFvl_LFUrTeEMdUpqD5oIkbdSecYpYP7OA3Z-QrylqMpv3poNJtyaxN5qXI Message-ID: To: Sauli Kiviranta Cc: David Collier-Brown , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Testing airBaltic free Starlink in-flight WIFI for mining remote operations X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2025 14:17:25 -0000 Thanks Sauli and all others: next time, when you are on a flight with starlink (or any inflight wifi---all can be measured without paying them ;-), please consider to run some tests as well + "curl ifconfig.io" in linux or go to http://whatsmyip.org to find out your external ip address. "nslookup ..." that external ip address to find out your pop (see http://tinyurl.com/starlinkmap) if you have any online activities while on the plane, you can also find out your external ip address later by taking a look at the log of these online activities on your server/provider side + "traceroute 1.1.1.1" (or tracert on windows) to find out your path to cloudflare public dns, and the satellite gateway's ip address (e.g., 100.64.0.1 for starlink without a public address) you may not be able to reach ifconfig.io or 1.1.1.1 without paying them on a non-free inflight wifi, but you shall be able to reach their payment website to do something equivalent too + "ping -D -i 0.01 -c 10000 ..." that satellite gateway to profile the satellite link a bit. please save the output of these commands and share with me afterward. thanks a lot for your help + if you can reach starlink's dish (192.168.100.1), try http://github.com/clarkzjw/LEOViz to see which satellite that your dish is talking to. see more details at http://oac.uvic.ca/starlink + if you are interested in the seat (spacex's starlink, eutelsat's oneweb, amazon's project kuiper and telesat's lightspeed), see http://oac.uvic.ca/leonet and http://tinyurl.com/starlinkuser -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Sat, Jun 7, 2025 at 5:26=E2=80=AFAM Sauli Kiviranta via Starlink wrote: > > Deal all, > > The sad thing was that I was completely unprepared! I just sit on my seat= , and after the normal safety instructions I suddenly see familiar logo on = the screen and announcement. I first thought it must be some premium servic= e or rather just announcement on something they plan to do in the future. O= nce it sink in and I connected on my phone and ran some speed tests to see = what was available, I realized that I gotta seize the opportunity and grab = my laptop to try figure out some tests. > > David: "Showing a real-world demonstration of how well it worked is a rea= lly cool thing to do." > - Good to hear! I was quite surprised how well it worked! Obviously its q= uite ideal in terms of visibility, but everything else, the handovers, spee= d of moving compared to the 16 km/h recommended for the roaming dishy and a= nother 150 users on the same network! Was very cool experience. > > Oleg: "Have you tried to run StarDebug or at least official Starlink app = on your phone? I wonder is it possible to access the hardware and get some = debug data :)" > - No, did not think of doing this! Next time I will be prepared! I think = we will just send one of the guys for a cup of coffee in Vienna to collect = data since the interest is there! > > JPan: "need more data though" + "do you happen to have any info about you= r public ip address while on the plane, so we can figure out its pop and po= p handover behaviors along the way?" > - I only ran some ping sweeps, as I was really focused on the target serv= er that I ran the remote control tests through, for user-experience and wha= t it looks like at application layer. Will add this to my script so I alway= s get it. With 1000 samples, ping sweep 1, min/avg/max =3D 36.705/50.375/11= 2.491 ms. Sweep 2, min/avg/max =3D 35.804/51.484/123.599 ms. Sweep 3, min/a= vg/max =3D 35.844/49.873/111.873 ms. Across all samples P99=3D73.86389, P50= =3D48.9325, P1=3D37.88168. Quite impressive! > > Spencer: "very interested in that exact detail if you happened to collect= it." > - Will make sure to have it next time! > > Nitinder: "If you are embarking on future adventures with Starlink, pleas= e install this in your browser and trigger a few tests" > - Noted! Will certainly do this next time! > > ***** > Question: Anything else of interest if we send one of our engineers to co= llect more data? Please let me know and I will try to organize it! > ***** > > Best regards, > Sauli > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 8:47=E2=80=AFPM David Collier-Brown via Starlink <= starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> >> Just a word of praise for Sauli: >> >> Showing a real-world demonstration of how well it worked is a really >> cool thing to do. It proved just how well it can work. It also >> motivated us to ask a lot of questions (:-)) >> >> --dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink