From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-f174.google.com (mail-yw1-f174.google.com [209.85.128.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1D563B2A4 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 09:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yw1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5bf5d6eaf60so72773217b3.2 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 06:38:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700059126; x=1700663926; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=F/tkbAAic9Yhx3kWC0lRQSgJzv4VS9GglIhspZtSKws=; b=aLkMZwQX4st5EAcJQ8zgu1qv5n2ZQSprmDmbo13DVMLFBu/adozSVvamMy/F6HrnMo q+0cLPpBOZzHwSTzxzxhFV29MuvX1JZEDFkYgUK7D1WE8bVgbrxKkD4syE1C1EaklFBG M++UD8npLRGyPVD9uj6+OybyhVCJzXD8omF983wCs/mvb5FQ4nIrNrx2OeLTUS9Fcosh fk4f1gqJ06yCtPq6MEbuop4/NP7J0zjgVe1xDLoocqWVbwF1W/StSPhmo8rirjts3EJY 3x0mM8gORTQ7G2lN2YVrso2eBHRksqXYc++lumYS1nODBqCBMb11FvdXQk20M8gxM94n vSNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz5wkp/ZK3bGkd1QjeNE/wTydrAIkjH9heYiIE+lWeIA7Cej2lm SABxobowgsDvFHEfgo2lZH6Fs3M8wtI0YKEkaHU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGIvovgzS9k8DqM9A4SBdOGS9nhQh9dVde02uYX6YiEFbJFprej5nqBkQpbIZYhhcXpbnwyWoOwGO5T6A0i/xg= X-Received: by 2002:a81:88c3:0:b0:5a7:dda8:f291 with SMTP id y186-20020a8188c3000000b005a7dda8f291mr13281535ywf.33.1700059126108; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 06:38:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <34D160E7-6C8F-4882-B1C3-570DF3D3854F@connectivitycap.com> <061BCB88-D7AB-4707-AC29-66968AD13480@connectivitycap.com> <5250C178-F909-4A4C-9724-5862B67D6CE1@connectivitycap.com> In-Reply-To: <5250C178-F909-4A4C-9724-5862B67D6CE1@connectivitycap.com> From: J Pan Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 06:38:35 -0800 Message-ID: To: Jim Forster Cc: Inemesit Affia , Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Question on Startlink density X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 14:38:46 -0000 it's not only about the power density. it's more about the satellite (and ground station) capacity, and interference among these dishes and with other devices in the same frequency band only starlink knows for sure its current capacity. we can do some inference and envelope estimation. if you have 100 households nearby, a (mini) "community gateway" might be better -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 12:05=E2=80=AFAM Jim Forster wrote: > > Thanks, that=E2=80=99s helpful. > > Would is also be the case that =E2=80=9C100 dishes in 3km^2=E2=80=9D is o= k? That=E2=80=99s 100x the power density=E2=80=A6 > > =E2=80=94 Jim > > On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:07=E2=80=AFAM, J Pan wrote: > > an old starlink capacity rule of thumb is "100 dishes in a 300 km^2 > cell". not sure about the latest as there are more satellites now, and > starlink can shuffle beam among nearby cells too > >