From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-f173.google.com (mail-yw1-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 514CA3B2A4; Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yw1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5e7409797a1so25682017b3.0; Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703366268; x=1703971068; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=TIZd5NhvGjX8KqFF6DD3Ma7QXjB+UMmQgWICzV2hSz0=; b=S55PjVp9capRhxaoZuK9QjhO5V/bKj+sJdQtayBEq/LKcW/0wGUQzy4koNerUZ6A6N l2jFBs5MgLJpuArj5vxaB/Y7VEy/hCVkV1ypHSlahA+W+QrkxBp/lgS88Z+HcOWPlQrH LpIVh5DxRnX7mGVLoWVoYQNM7bwcBzfSniduZZ075bpf71TJ45O+lS/QANTbk/1HPkf5 WqECxKTEhusoeWkI3LQTAWSz+s1y0pXycMfVCk42W9NMsCp7c8qXPm0SROBMCPJzWp37 +G9DnAgWnWAc1FWwK23l4LICp3D5kCR7NV85ec7iDLAY8OxOLw7J+x03R2sy0k4xd0o9 Y+sA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw0brt7Zg6/eMlQ+2EFR5lyZqVsoEW3VVt+LEDEI6X+zv2YkOty +KzM2shtEM91HeGiXo6YZUdDe8RNI9sZNgVIygA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IENssou5GJE4VOeAK7Wrw/IvoYtk4rSQLjPNNqUf/PIbffc2F6LIG0TazLO3dhTxspEkabVf7IaGD5JYhisL00= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:cb06:0:b0:5e8:566:5187 with SMTP id n6-20020a0dcb06000000b005e805665187mr2073676ywd.8.1703366267774; Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:17:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <02cc2879-ef99-4388-bc1e-335a4aaff6aa@gmail.com> <18A40E71-F636-41A9-A8A7-0F4F69E3C99F@gmx.de> <650s1558-6310-063q-s5q2-o782rnnoss29@ynat.uz> <471154o6-no08-67or-p1o2-np919ro26osp@ynat.uz> <05ef1cd50d0e0a681b2cd38b1bdeb0a9@rjmcmahon.com> <4p61qp8r-p1p1-r83r-n283-315548o163po@ynat.uz> <3b1dac448b6590029679a7c22516c40c@rjmcmahon.com> <04b32733-b413-481a-94ea-da6dadbd0802@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: From: J Pan Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:17:35 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= , Dave Taht via Starlink , Robert McMahon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 21:17:48 -0000 going back to starlink vs ftth for rdof, 100/20mbps down/uplink throughput is not the barrier, but stable latency and jitter are still challenging. avoid very long landing ground stations to home point of presence tunnel and better inter satellite routing are the key. of course, from fcc's view, invest something buried underground might be safer than disposable satellites ;-) -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pan