From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=fail (Used From Domain Record) header.from=uvic.ca policy.dmarc=none Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com (mail-qk1-f176.google.com [209.85.222.176]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 143F29891FF for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2025 19:07:28 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-8b2d56eaaceso3879785a.0 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2025 10:07:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1763575647; x=1764180447; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=KdVGCXgwbcQxFZvBXpcD7+zqrX7pzhlkkiD5i6/SZq0=; b=JcsETdUCqEVTFk3eIjY51GwkIJDBZx9Cq4pErVdj6QhPbr2/n78tSFz+6UCaj2QC37 +9oq6xYEEN6wH0V59SDiE9ppjqoGoRamqqlYpCo3iKIjqEVR8B9IWSZVEDMe2EC4TOKd Ter25wKo/PC9fHHi0vQihd5F4fIPl3u9EKzHzHYvDwAgyZT6e3+i5xOw6iZStAi07h1Q ln4I39rmnOi15jnLHdErQRIZonKz6h3MNbGpTdLbEox9fne8wMAihbfBSMXIJdz3e3o4 eoC/lenAjPdoMo/gzu0bk2LC9SzQa52ClIjYER5vcWlFP9SRpcxRNoLKMvhbxG3YTXHc YoOQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXNk6V6JzjIZ5bl6h8jV6YmwKVr8o2/XgIjtfGMtTRltIJFmqan2FRIfdmTIQhGc1NuRMzCrIeN+Q==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz0r98FSyrgiycFWh9ocXeaKfWedKlh5ROML7i8kwMEjjPTHhwB iPjtstwV+3bpwWmOhmk8wB9t+CSwgO36R+5MOFnKxa8zbvIc6dcCmztvrBTe9NHHJL2ajbg+A7B 4iuiOPJtn2eTNp00VUE2DLfsWBb8iMKvVzdse X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctzBtwBRjDIwyZ9J3I+wST9Gc4eYA/vVETg9C/L8p+7F94oj3jFFQG6JMQ56Eo EabLX4jsWY4yN1Kj3C274Jw6IJnCxD8NQWksIgL+5twnxefPlmsHjVNOW+3lBkXE8bXq5quMyvJ pqVkvAMjh/G9Daw4EheGnq8X1QIxpfqSLwEMOdnEHNoomHTbwIngCzVffmFmFXe+ae0YvpPA9os UU/ytcVavZXlNtWDXpdBSGUc9Fvy8MWOhvhnIv2NPKk7j5rIjDhHv/IS2Pcsq+g2r/CWhhI6t1x NxNgmEwsjNYYsBpW X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGfDaq1mhtii/CZXjtw3OTPpIQpycdWCGpk5kZQNygEJ16eeJXg+0pt4IOFK5A+o5ieLU/0S1GKWkItoTcGh+s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:690e:1c1a:b0:640:c9c1:a329 with SMTP id 956f58d0204a3-642ed12ce39mr2306518d50.32.1763571297407; Wed, 19 Nov 2025 08:54:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: J Pan Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2025 08:54:46 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_bmGE47zPNuVKIEA7ftE0ddBluCfsJMQtJbSj25c7g28HYhCnwfA2P_vbrw Message-ID: To: Hesham ElBakoury Cc: 5grm-satellite@ieee.org, Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: FDCKWKO3ZO2DKU7Q5OJ7QV6E7KZQTIHI X-Message-ID-Hash: FDCKWKO3ZO2DKU7Q5OJ7QV6E7KZQTIHI X-MailFrom: panatuvicdotca@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: How Starcloud Is Bringing Data Centers to Outer Space | NVIDIA Blog List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: yes, google can always find evidence on the internet to support any argument ;-) regardless, tech giants need to think about whether they use electricity effectively and efficiently as well -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 8:35=E2=80=AFAM Hesham ElBakoury wrote: > > There is also land concern. > > "State and local resistance to datacenters is rising sharply, with $98 bi= llion in projects blocked or delayed from late March to June as communities= push back over energy use, higher electricity bills, and land concerns. A = study by Data Center Watch shows opposition groups in 17 states successfull= y delaying most projects they protest, prompting lawmakers to tighten rules= , reconsider subsidies, and question whether data centers deliver enough lo= cal economic benefit to outweigh their growing community and infrastructure= impacts." > > https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/state-local-opposition-new-dat= a-centers-gaining-steam-rcna243838 > > Hesham > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2025, 8:10=E2=80=AFAM J Pan wrote: >> >> not physical space, but energy harvesting and heat dissipating might >> be more favorable in space. space itself can generate enough data to >> be cranked there, instead of beaming down >> -- >> J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/= ~pan >> >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink >> wrote: >> > >> > We may run out of space on earth to accommodate DC AI infrastructure. >> > >> > https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/starcloud/ >> > >> > Hesham >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net