From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-f182.google.com (mail-yw1-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CBBA3CB48 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2023 13:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yw1-f182.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5c08c47c055so52314297b3.1 for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2023 10:18:11 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701713890; x=1702318690; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=khcfRzEXt5AqOn3kNSa/+sXX41vTjmm9RM3iLFITbAI=; b=equLwa2yogIMD8iWa8K1tASygP9pL67TFdiL3Spp5KMntbhw/5MyNjgLehvDBtPXjx IYxaWvyoV+RsagPNeZzHdxG9j3FVefMReK1xfndlxhwj7bVj6igB2BX78N0iua8endM6 R+UShx41+EK++UYWIVjDRLCDuRMI6HeUoS5RvATSSTQZtPWeAIGJl65PhWiPZvk1aWYI Kq4K988uMoCzhrn3EN5Leg017l18JzgJ4LnOc/fm+Q7HH0spGLVJhOAtSfN+6wMFFsVg 5ic4iJ2DM79jCX2nom/GmXrk7TcoPiBD/fIswbBdDctRxynuZA7KO2jgVvkba3PgJYn/ 6AcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YweDjGGkMOxQ/oeRToVxaTN5eNr/vvz9ggVm5qMaOlLww25tsIM yss5gKmqmAwFDhwRyKQXDaJXl+wsQrgB+bQweVbq0oGg X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH2yp7ZFJydcxV3YovcqfQReb3O2M2C9NVpMa+eIbecZTCwn/hzQFER8G/uG3U9gmpDa9g4JdIZXD9RBpKsqv4= X-Received: by 2002:a81:ad03:0:b0:5d3:993c:1b60 with SMTP id l3-20020a81ad03000000b005d3993c1b60mr3400289ywh.8.1701713890320; Mon, 04 Dec 2023 10:18:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <361ee9d0d01da491a6e2b132317d170b@ausics.net> <75790520d6c8d35beb7248f5f5dff952@ausics.net> In-Reply-To: <75790520d6c8d35beb7248f5f5dff952@ausics.net> From: J Pan Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 10:17:58 -0800 Message-ID: To: Noel Butler Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Info on IP country ranges X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2023 18:18:11 -0000 yes, starlink does respond to its customers' complaints, although sometimes slowly. its ipv4 address acquisition is scattered around as a latecomer to the isp world, and as a global local isp, it's more troublesome. ip packets have to be tunneled back to its home pop where nat and other functions happen, sometimes around the world, causing a much higher minimum rtt fluctuation in 15-second handover intervals---bad for network protocols and applications. ipv6 can do better but currently follows the same route as ipv4---an incentive to promote ipv6 ;-) -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 4:04=E2=80=AFAM Noel Butler = wrote: > > Thanks, it seems they are trying it on then :) > > On 04/12/2023 10:44, J Pan wrote: > > starlink advertises its customer ip address location at > http://geoip.starlinkisp.net (not always updated but good enough in > most cases and traceroute can confirm to some extent as well) > -- > J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~= pan > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:15=E2=80=AFPM Noel Butler via Starlink > wrote: > > > I run an open access usenet server, but only for those within my CC, so a= ccess is by IP based on our CC allocations from APNIC. > > Because IPv4 exhaustion this changes sometimes with buying allocations fr= om other regions, and if they get denied access I encourage them to let us = know so we can keep ACL's updated, I've had a request from a starlink user = who claims they are here, but traceroute shows them in .DE > > tracing some 217.foo.ad.dr > > ... > 9 ae-6.r21.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.183) 290.223 ms 290.180 = ms ae-1.r20.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.7.35) 280.523 ms > 10 ae-1.a03.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.152) 290.109 ms 289.667= ms 292.864 ms > 11 ae-0.spacex.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (213.198.72.19) 279.611 ms 278.= 840 ms 279.592 ms > 12 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.189) 280.127 ms 278.506 ms 28= 4.265 ms > 13 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.209) 284.198 ms undefined.hos= tname.localhost (206.224.65.201) 274.663 ms 273.073 ms > 14 * * * > > > As it is our policy to not collect any user info or issue user/pass's and= only allow access by IP, I'm hoping someone here knows if they are full o= f it, or does starlink really assign addresses from anywhere? That one hard= ly makes sense for user experience, or maybe starlink has so few users in t= his country they haven't bothered changing anything yet? > > -- > > Regards, > Noel Butler > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > -- > > Regards, > Noel Butler > >