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Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: that's why people say, when look for the next phone, if it does not support sat sos/comms, don't buy it, but after buying it, one hopes not to use the function, otherwise, likely in disasters -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Fri, Feb 27, 2026 at 6:25=E2=80=AFPM Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: > > On 28/02/2026 5:56 am, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Ulrich Speidel wrote: > > >> One road opened again the next morning, and the power came back= on later that > > >> day, along with the 4G coverage. > > > > mcr> In the interlude between the storm and the roads opening, was= it sunny? > > > > > It became sunny, yes, but in terms of using something solar PV t= hat day > > > you would have had a hard time on the first day after the storm= . I run > > > my house (including a granny flat) on grid-connected PV with bat= tery > > > backup, and this is what the weather system > > > looked like on our PV system monitor two days earlier when it pa= ssed over Auckland: > > > > I wasn't thinking PV... I was thinking about that you were there to enj= oy the > > outdoors, and when the sun comes out after a storm, it's kinda extra su= nny. > > At least, that's how the emotions feel. > > > > In 2003, I was in Halifax a week after a Hurricane took out 100K trees. > > Cdn Thanksgiving weekend (first weekend of Oct), it was super-bright, w= arm, dry, > > with... destruction everywhere. The contrast startled. Like a dozen cl= owns wandering > > through WWI trenches or something. > It abated slowly and turned to cloudy with a bit of sun overnight and > then again a bit better the next day. Destruction wasn't immediately > obvious apart from a few smaller slips (common here) and the occasional > tree damage from wind - we escaped the worst of that, unlike the people > on the other side of the range. It wasn't until we started on a few > walks when we saw just how badly the river and some of the small creeks > had swollen and how much damage that did to the surrounding bush in > terms of sediment deposited and mature trees felled. Some of them would > have carried over 100 times the amount of water that they usually carry > - I'd never seen anything like it. > > I would be interesting to learn about the satellite service turn on pro= cess. > > Did they just do it? Could a government have asked them explicitely? > > Maybe there is fine print that either expects this or demands it. > > I think they just did it without being asked, because it was in their > interest. Essentially they oversold the service somewhat (they're in > court for false advertising because of this) by making it look like it > was a 1:1 replacement for normal cell service. During normal times, > they're covering 99%+ of people here with terrestrial service anyway. > Rural areas are covered via a single physical network provider, the > Rural Connectivity Group (RCG), a jointly-owned subsidiary of the three > mobile network providers in NZ who all tenant together on the RCG sites. > So when an RCG site goes down, no terrestrial network works. > > This made the telcos here look really bad after Cyclone Gabrielle, and > obviously some work's gone on to strengthen infrastructure a bit, but I > guess much of that would have gone into shoring up service to towns and > cities rather than remote valleys with a few farms. > > So this storm would have been an opportunity to show the rural folk that > One NZ has their backs in such situations, distinguish themselves from > their competitors, gather brownie points to use in court and curry > favour with the government. Likewise, it would have been fairly easy to > do for them because of the low user density and usage profile in the area= . > > For where we were, I'd estimate maybe 10-15 mobile phones per square > kilometre (if that much), with maybe 3-4 of them being eligible models. > Given that the locals there generally have work to do that doesn't > involve using apps or texting for much of the day, maybe one active > phone per sq km for most of the time? > > Forgot to mention that my phone indicated that it was roaming, despite > me being a One NZ customer. > > -- > **************************************************************** > Dr. Ulrich Speidel > > School of Computer Science > > Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > > The University of Auckland > u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ > **************************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net