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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: no obvious rtt https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/1004353/results/wellknown?zoom= =3Dcustom&start=3D1763826161&stop=3D1763913124 nor routing "RIPE 209.198.140.138 14593 Twekkelerveld Overijssel NL customer.frntdeu1.pop.starlinkisp.net. still associated with the frankfurt pop, 209.198.140.0/24,frntdeu1,fra Traceroute from 209.198.140.138 to 149.19.108.213 Using RIPE, Probe 1004353 STARTED QUERY AT 2025/11/23 15:56:40 UTC Fetching Measurement: 140344362 Traceroute from 10.13.37.1 to 149.19.108.213 (149.19.108.213): 1 10.13.37.254 4.494ms 0.265ms 0.239ms 2 100.64.0.1 30.856ms 21.841ms 16.651ms 3 172.16.252.36 22.768ms 32.524ms 27.214ms 4 * * * 5 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.164) 19.894ms 37.878ms 33.879ms in frankfurt 6 2(SERVFAIL (149.19.108.186) 97.792ms 101.878ms 97.871ms to new york city 7 2(SERVFAIL (149.19.108.40) 109.852ms 105.844ms 101.892ms in new york city 8 2(SERVFAIL (149.19.108.67) 117.803ms 125.879ms 121.844ms to chicago 9 2(SERVFAIL (149.19.108.20) 121.835ms 117.946ms 119.654ms in chicago 10 2(SERVFAIL (149.19.108.213) 141.826ms 139.762ms 141.827ms to denver Completed in 24.39s" changes internally or externally "Traceroute from 209.198.140.138 to 1.1.1.1 Using RIPE, Probe 1004353 STARTED QUERY AT 2025/11/23 16:07:13 UTC Fetching Measurement: 140345358 Traceroute from 10.13.37.1 to 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1): 1 10.13.37.254 5.065ms 0.243ms 0.242ms 2 100.64.0.1 17.386ms 16.309ms 17.526ms 3 172.16.252.36 19.757ms 18.453ms 21.799ms 4 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.68.196) 25.787ms 21.891ms 16.519ms 5 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.70.83) 26.913ms 21.86ms 25.881ms 6 customer.lax3.mc.starlinkisp.net (206.214.226.9) 21.754ms 25.882ms 16.637= ms 7 162.158.84.109 17.515ms 26.909ms 21.845ms 8 one.one.one.one (1.1.1.1) 25.867ms 16.51ms 21.646ms Completed in 8.68s" according to https://atlas.ripe.net/probes/1004353/overview (Starlink@UTwente). ping without traceroute is not conclusive (ping, traceroute and tcpdump are the trio for all problems ;-) -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Sun, Nov 23, 2025 at 3:34=E2=80=AFAM Inemesit Affia via Starlink wrote: > > https://x.com/WietseWind/status/1992549150479516078 > > Does anyone have probes to check? > > Datacenter in RIPE? > > I know SpaceX is present in Amsterdam but the traffic has historically go= ne elsewhere > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net