From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52d.google.com (mail-ed1-x52d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 544863B29E for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ed1-x52d.google.com with SMTP id t18so8122184edd.8 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:14:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hackaday-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9XgWnZUv1gA+FzjU/1xWrBYTASg14BdIghNxNimAYSQ=; b=7uUwe1k2M3zPxb/0ef+hG6bkQREN1CUSA5borY/bdbr6XZb+T/9C/zjan3Pireq+Fy x2x90ugrCSLp06TeFiI+P2P9uc71sENmcIUY68Hm6yNZynWOG0xFue2gNdBHyLCu9b3n SsOjC6EkXhI6xAa4Q4reM7XP0vsMhMwNsnmTD/7JrCm0PjttUFeLYay8eeA/bOCGGnrS rE4lm5FkSpwWBmhgh/uTSNuElddDszRAR2uzde6qUIrlgmrrSmQf6or+GX9+KTjNDzEn D6T5isoyPExEr+0sz9Do5drwb9mmMjnKzAbnETgfmgwpwCpnpdgB0ddiju3o7YQAySuK skZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9XgWnZUv1gA+FzjU/1xWrBYTASg14BdIghNxNimAYSQ=; b=DEKv5r+tuFSd3LvACu0OwLa0gFb4NLf8RihazLY5eDaKCwMIO8wiMRdHaUqPhk6MvH lkfzAVr3T4/VmRtCU1/OQ11gocEgLk6dIVYOR8K8B1tsV/UrmPnuC0DGM6gnXQ7D1LwI 3hGw4fJnYFGdHGw9ytdFrOPWDHL24IwiyMdtoU/oaS2Z7vsTYYyHKr4GJy/Fjz7b7xjM dl2i9I7pcJTNKAk3qCA5DBeqTrakenc0dkRxB99qGr7BQm5spuX+dlL1sCyo1DRA7f+J GUl6IX019g2frvVsmc2aHfeTzGKPJYmA1WC+AssZGI2Mg3MpzZNHBWQwOK0Xq33CGqxG 13TA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532FjcEYxKxz6nyuz434PKF260kbf4Vo8qHc+eMeAzkGMGn+Rbf9 0niQgud0mnkA7ecICx+oRNLDo34oixUUixIhCshQyqE03EwU2Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyvHpDf+C4kCNMWbXlVrhXMZEVe0hRkt0qKFNg6Uxagoakh2Z85v5Z3HKdGJavrxwvlRK8rWxjfddyzuZTPkXM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:348f:: with SMTP id v15mr12264858edc.276.1636654489451; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:14:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Jonathan Bennett Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:14:38 -0600 Message-ID: To: Nathan Owens Cc: Dave Taht , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000076d04f05d0875155" Subject: Re: [Starlink] something of a step backwards X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 18:14:51 -0000 --00000000000076d04f05d0875155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are putting the PoE supply in the router -- no more power brick. I suppose it's too much to hope that they cut power draw enough to use standardized PoE++ equipment. They do offer an add-on Ethernet adapter, and have promised a bridged mode. That at least gets us back to the functionality we have now. On Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 9:55 AM Nathan Owens wrote: > My guess is they moved the "smarts" from the dish to the router, so no ne= t > change. > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 7:54 AM Dave Taht wrote: > >> The new "squary" doesn't let you use your own router. Sigh. There is >> so much more you can do with control of your own firewall and >> router... >> >> https://twitter.com/awlnx/status/1458786406722121742 >> >> sure hope they got all the bufferbloat-fighting algos in the uplink, >> wifi, and ethernet, in there, and ipv6 support. >> >> -- >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --00000000000076d04f05d0875155 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They are putting the PoE supply in the router -- no = more power brick. I suppose it's too much to hope that they cut power d= raw enough to use standardized PoE++ equipment. They do offer an add-on Eth= ernet adapter, and have promised a bridged mode. That at least gets us back= to the functionality we have now.

On Thu, No= v 11, 2021, 9:55 AM Nathan Owens <na= than@nathan.io> wrote:
My guess is they moved the "smarts" from the dish to = the router, so no net change.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 7:54 AM Dave Taht= <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
The new "squary" doesn't let you use= your own router. Sigh. There is
so much more you can do with control of your own firewall and
router...

https://twitter.com/awlnx/status/1458= 786406722121742

sure hope they got all the bufferbloat-fighting algos in the uplink,
wifi, and ethernet, in there, and ipv6 support.

--
I tried to build a better future, a few times:
https://wayforward.archi= ve.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org

Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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