From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=pass header.d=google.com; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=google.com policy.dmarc=reject Received: from mail-pl1-x62e.google.com (mail-pl1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BADC98CEAC for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2025 10:20:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-pl1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-2980343d9d1so112635ad.1 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2025 01:20:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20230601; t=1763630404; x=1764235204; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Bylf+/zF02tne5/O8cS8t18t/P35f9TjgJiPkpeIEE0=; b=RMgXeY/V/yVqhFDySkAdNDJQ2A336p62nFebcjjP2ZBkY98v29CYDD9JoIn++MPjdv RfDbWaA5JGfRW0Gojv1LK4i/kr/VMl+IZYj1tN3ygQxPM6UMDfPSqgF36NtrgsnT0tnv pBw50GH8TsU0oqUzx8Fr4+c69SAB4EigGxhVAQ86ummUm7l7dmPqqoBTPzz/PylvlxlJ ypfT+gtQlO/+7BXXmxNGIj5NHYMtmhY77f9ZUS9JsrYC20ZaI3dyObjavKHlLKstbb2n MUlhZCF+1so1a78db2DnVqNq9SCaR6JVBgRLZCyBnCiowx1JALheAO2EcYievg7O5eSR a5KQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1763630404; x=1764235204; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Bylf+/zF02tne5/O8cS8t18t/P35f9TjgJiPkpeIEE0=; b=PJ/mT04+TUXtCO+nAwgNC6E7dyQqYWpD49qjT2WhDNU+py88P+YND9jQ/mscAVEKkW 6Dny0Ba1pb7xdBWsMbNsKbGJsSN5tsNW9615+bJxRCKhPIeFrbK3i+NdAwvykc933RIZ P36kTANHdtLtKXX2JrplUQM0V9BOH8kDTyO0sUAMX+xdkAjvtf0a+dfehexBgy338oAq nj+4DBvIWKM/F83srfOTDXQhbBYXLc7HUPBlrVlf+rjh+gokHi2pTkBqdsd+fqz0arO7 IYa7T2uG3rFRKnRzGJlr7u7ferGoE5pCTRlq9CQmQEREo4o0Rx4s0fYl1kaSRUHwF2gZ 6Sew== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw2YMLeEEpUOjglpeSdoR2JVvWCgScAnaVgTRE6XUF4ByKWDwt/ DQMFZPf1Nuelt6OjF02aDM0MZuvtBoHNMYUOfSK3OIjrYmDkhTy7kQ2Vc9yLwP5G3wcPOs4X+im 0s2OcQ5csr36IUbM5iv9zJQhZkaYZC2W47/GxWb7O X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncukjVbR5UTQb+ocdAuIE6VYrSuGBivopTVPFpw1Si7gtP32pqQch5zv6DkcK9U nvWDmfP1f0PLhfqAhtVGwVgJR1+cr2ugjfUPNb/RnJJkUikUy9juZRQss4rQ4TzielDXpzDpWVj uj3NVQGnwhHd0y32JBo7qBYht4OoLYXJiKiE+xQyZpbBTotIho3c6mKYVGPwTrRrTBTNLDVyciD vkQ5uusOgGSEieTt83nq/xRBHpCS3xLcZWpTOmAW+UQuJcHT/OZo9KYADqrYnW8yDxpQfaYFA0t jIOuxyb/5XaqKPmIwa8htpQPx3ZPeVOjqlMJLVfjgJjmIBSJVxGADacud8dJ9A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFE0AepXwyQ1+pfc3qJzmkuK9VgOjdZjcDm58jj7yJAeEWvVU+boSmZ/U26g/9ndmJshMPdnpD0MvTwRNcVqBE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:7022:220a:b0:11a:2c18:9e70 with SMTP id a92af1059eb24-11c9495b38fmr93159c88.11.1763630403373; Thu, 20 Nov 2025 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Vint Cerf Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 04:19:50 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_bmVi-C3MpBbPP4_XjfVLbXtIxh5u1YFHxoEG0RSedHepZcVDQcpSqPJiN8 Message-ID: To: Hesham ElBakoury Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , 5grm-satellite@ieee.org Message-ID-Hash: 7EWJOWKFKLOU7SIVH4OEKKKSVPTCSGIA X-Message-ID-Hash: 7EWJOWKFKLOU7SIVH4OEKKKSVPTCSGIA X-MailFrom: vint@google.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: AI IN SPACE: Post from Elon Musk (@elonmusk) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: aGUgbWFrZXMgYSBnb29kIHBvaW50IGFib3V0IHRoZSBhdmFpbGFiaWxpdHkgb2YgcG93ZXIgaW4g c3BhY2UuDQpBcmUgdGhlaXIgbGltaXRhdGlvbnMgb3dpbmcgdG8gYmVpbmcgaW4gRWFydGgncyBz aGFkb3cgYW4gYXBwcmVjaWFibGUgcGFydA0Kb2YgbWFueSBvcmJpdHM/IFdvdWxkIGxvY2F0aW9u IG5lYXIgTGFncmFuZ2UgcG9pbnRzIGhlbHA/DQoNCnYNCg0KDQpPbiBUaHUsIE5vdiAyMCwgMjAy NSBhdCAyOjQ24oCvQU0gSGVzaGFtIEVsQmFrb3VyeSB2aWEgU3RhcmxpbmsgPA0Kc3RhcmxpbmtA bGlzdHMuYnVmZmVyYmxvYXQubmV0PiB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBFbG9uIE11c2sgKEBlbG9ubXVzaykg cG9zdGVkIGF0IDExOjM5IEFNIG9uIFdlZCwgTm92IDE5LCAyMDI1Og0KPiBodHRwczovL3QuY28v eDRub3dsU2lTYQ0KPiAoaHR0cHM6Ly94LmNvbS9lbG9ubXVzay9zdGF0dXMvMTk5MTIyOTg4MTQ0 Nzg1ODYyNz9zPTAzKQ0KPg0KPiBIZXNoYW0NCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCj4gU3RhcmxpbmsgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0IC0tIHN0YXJsaW5r QGxpc3RzLmJ1ZmZlcmJsb2F0Lm5ldA0KPiBUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSBzZW5kIGFuIGVtYWlsIHRv IHN0YXJsaW5rLWxlYXZlQGxpc3RzLmJ1ZmZlcmJsb2F0Lm5ldA0KPg0KDQoNCi0tIA0KUGxlYXNl IHNlbmQgYW55IHBvc3RhbC9vdmVybmlnaHQgZGVsaXZlcmllcyB0bzoNClZpbnQgQ2VyZg0KR29v Z2xlLCBMTEMNCjE5MDAgUmVzdG9uIE1ldHJvIFBsYXphLCAxNnRoIEZsb29yDQpSZXN0b24sIFZB IDIwMTkwDQorMSAoNTcxKSAyMTMgMTM0Ng0KDQoNCnVudGlsIGZ1cnRoZXIgbm90aWNlDQo=