Noel, IPv4 is only managing to work because it is NATted - going to IPv6
let's us get back to point-to-point in either direction including
rendezvous.
The present IPv4 situation is NOT good - people are paying $35-50 per IPv4
address to acquire or even to lease them. For all practical purposes, IPv4
has run out.

vint


On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 9:33 PM Noel Butler via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> On 20/09/2023 11:13, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote:
>
>
>
> As vs Geoffs presentation on QUIC eating the universe in terms of traffic
> volume, and the world becoming a giant content distribution network, I
> still hold, that the internet is a communications network, and that despite
> content moving ever closer to the edges, more private content, and
> connecting people to people, and vpns to corporations, will remain an
> important use case. Ssh as one example, still holds the underpinnings of
> the network together, and is very low traffic volume, and there is no such
> thing as a "voip caching server". Also, big providers of replicated
> content, such as steam, are experimenting with bittorrent-like techniques
> again. QUIC makes torrent extremely feasible once again.
>
>
> Despite my high level of respect for Geoff, he, and others like him, often
> talk things up to push things their way of thinking, we only need look at
> the FUD they came out with in mid 90's about IPv4's imminent demise giving
> it three to five years before depletion, and here we are 30 years later and
> it is still the most dominant transport protocol by a long long mile
> despite allegedly  running out only a few years ago and not in early 2000's
> as they tried to claim. (Even today there are still reserve stocks on /24's
> for newbies from some regions, and the bigger networks have years of
> stockpiled addresses in reserve).
>
> It's also like the local water board here who last week came out saying a
> whopping 70% of people surveyed said they'd drink recycled water, of course
> it was the local water board that conducted this alleged survey, because
> >90% of the more independent polling shows a totally different story.
>
> "Ohh, everybody's doing it"  "must be safe" "we should do it"  ... nah...
> TCP isn't going anywhere, nor is UDP, not in my lifetime anyway :)
>
> Cheers
>
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