From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52c.google.com (mail-pg1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 875173B2A4 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5144a9c11c7so411770a12.2 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20221208; t=1681953410; x=1684545410; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0mgCIKDz453OBMpuN+Y0gKUFYXbfaZak/dw2n/AKDeQ=; b=G8e4RdYEINSwfuJcRQsjHe0SCu/qvg1OoJLaVJvPlejgYHGmkrqYArV3hLznHKXn8S l0Lz03ogbCeqlPEvmSTjzbTNNr+Nphaeg48AtoJP3Kf1Qqy92b/AaXKkNhFps7brOaoK ffXmhauHfNS6AlZxJV1HSkn/blCzrgd9pAgwHrBwYzBgixuGPOtbPQWxqplW89sbYC7s a7z13PsJ1QZ5mu+NMgW+gfuhPO3OTPfi0GoPpBkrMBYjumm4MPR5U0NtJn76o0593l+6 SjVDNQgxtPE5rTvHVIBe+Qdm7uL+ON2JK5NQFK/8TI50j7UHTyKVpapmDdQt3UKK3WBo NsgQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681953410; x=1684545410; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=0mgCIKDz453OBMpuN+Y0gKUFYXbfaZak/dw2n/AKDeQ=; b=hvQmFF1T7OnsOlgNbS0KS+gX9zPArbIOgHAQOZaBqtPTueIqYWY5iqNZYPq29OpjXq 44MOpvlt32fnWDCRgDnukr9mOZNFdxzaNILvP/2tj92po/6kae28+ZEOGOxOw0zZmD/T ZK2YfmQXA8IJcIffoN/1Ind8CqyLkJLnHoieE2eNI5hkRwuYs/UlvUcwMUcB8Lzw0ZmN G5g9iDXr55z19kJDOU4uiuqHeonUVAkd5NDVOBTZxuTQH7/zYK4Pc2hWcqdwcFNVhELj 5eG4qlvgpCmug04RUP2S5Jy4/9ELsmA3cX1dajasBFB7rPKHVYwi9wTeAItMjtlyjjJu NUkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cqIT0RLNKbuiDKxfEQTi+C813DzT0yIsDXnlz42n5Dw48McVzi Tdmym8FnUVhqxlsIzLiWVT+tsbpfyTag4NS0koQfrQJ5u5VRljgsvmg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350a5jNGd2R+y8YKyssvriiN2NPRhdRvjq+6nFSB+U7FZmh2pMPUGnkS8RvHhzcEHN834c+y2GnaDH1yVs4m7rmM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c7cc:b0:247:40f1:79d7 with SMTP id gf12-20020a17090ac7cc00b0024740f179d7mr4350859pjb.34.1681953410297; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 18:16:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1272.1681406523@localhost> <8151.1681416108@localhost> <24341.1681947286@localhost> <4f0fa01d97325$3f72e9a0$be58bce0$@evslin.com> In-Reply-To: <4f0fa01d97325$3f72e9a0$be58bce0$@evslin.com> From: Vint Cerf Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:16:38 -0400 Message-ID: To: tom@evslin.com Cc: Michael Richardson , starlink , e-impact@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000960a3e05f9ba4bd0" Subject: Re: [Starlink] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space) X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 01:16:51 -0000 --000000000000960a3e05f9ba4bd0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008d2d1505f9ba4b55" --0000000000008d2d1505f9ba4b55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable O&M will be a bear v On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 9:13=E2=80=AFPM Tom Evslin via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > I think space-based data centers will be the rule rather than the > exception. Wrote about that a couple of years ago although, as usual, > things have not happened as quickly as I predicted > https://blog.tomevslin.com/2021/07/computing-clouds-in-orbit-a-possible-r= oadmap.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Starlink On Behalf Of > Michael Richardson via Starlink > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 7:35 PM > To: starlink ; e-impact@ietf.org > Subject: [Starlink] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space) > > > I saw this reported in BIS-Spaceflight. > (I'm usually a few months behind in reading it) I like the "first > objective"! > > > https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/space/press-release/ascend-thale= s-alenia-space-lead-european-feasibility-study-data > > Cannes, November 14, 2022 =E2=80=93 Thales Alenia Space, the joint compan= y between > Thales (67%) and Leonardo (33%), has been chosen by the European Commissi= on > to lead the ASCEND (Advanced Space Cloud for European Net zero emission a= nd > Data sovereignty) feasibility study for data centers in orbit, as part of > Europe=E2=80=99s vast Horizon Europe research program. > > Digital technology=E2=80=99s expanding environmental footprint is becomin= g a major > challenge: the burgeoning need for digitalization means that data centers > in Europe and around the world are growing at an exponential pace, which = in > turn has a critical energy and environmental impact. > > The first objective of this study will be to assess if the carbon > emissions from the production and launch of these space infrastructures > will be significantly lower than the emissions generated by ground-based > data centers, therefore contributing to the achievement of global carbon > neutrality. The second objective will be to prove that it is possible to > develop the required launch solution and to ensure the deployment and > operability of these spaceborne data centers using robotic assistance > technologies currently being developed in Europe, such as the EROSS IOD > demonstrator. > > This project is expected to demonstrate to which extent space-based data > centers would limit the energy and environmental impact of their ground > counterparts, thus allowing major investments within the scope of Europe= =E2=80=99s > Green Deal, possibly justifying the development of a more climate-friendl= y, > reusable heavy launch vehicle. 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On Wed, A= pr 19, 2023 at 9:13=E2=80=AFPM Tom Evslin via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wr= ote:
I think spa= ce-based data centers will be the rule rather than the exception. Wrote abo= ut that a couple of years ago although, as usual, things have not happened = as quickly as I predicted https://blog.tomevslin.com/2021/07/computing-clouds-in-orbit-a-= possible-roadmap.html

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I saw this reported in BIS-Spaceflight.
(I'm usually a few months behind in reading it) I like the "first = objective"!

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/space/pres= s-release/ascend-thales-alenia-space-lead-european-feasibility-study-data

Cannes, November 14, 2022 =E2=80=93 Thales Alenia Space, the joint company = between Thales (67%) and Leonardo (33%), has been chosen by the European Co= mmission to lead the ASCEND (Advanced Space Cloud for European Net zero emi= ssion and Data sovereignty) feasibility study for data centers in orbit, as= part of Europe=E2=80=99s vast Horizon Europe research program.

Digital technology=E2=80=99s expanding environmental footprint is becoming = a major
challenge: the burgeoning need for digitalization means that data centers i= n Europe and around the world are growing at an exponential pace, which in = turn has a critical energy and environmental impact.

The first objective of this study will be to assess if the carbon emissions= from the production and launch of these space infrastructures will be sign= ificantly lower than the emissions generated by ground-based data centers, = therefore contributing to the achievement of global carbon neutrality. The = second objective will be to prove that it is possible to develop the requir= ed launch solution and to ensure the deployment and operability of these sp= aceborne data centers using robotic assistance technologies currently being= developed in Europe, such as the EROSS IOD demonstrator.

This project is expected to demonstrate to which extent space-based data ce= nters would limit the energy and environmental impact of their ground count= erparts, thus allowing major investments within the scope of Europe=E2=80= =99s Green Deal, possibly justifying the development of a more climate-frie= ndly, reusable heavy launch vehicle. Europe could thus regain its leadershi= p in space transport and space logistics, as well as the assembly and opera= tions of large infrastructures in orbit.

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