Re: [Starlink] The curious case of the missing Starlink spectrum licences

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Use starlink.sx instead

On Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 12:24 PM Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

>
> Le 13/11/2023 à 02:27, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink a écrit :
> > The other day I had reason to look up the Starlink spectrum licences
> > in NZ. These are issued by Radio Spectrum Management in NZ and used to
> > be in the Register of Radio Frequencies, which is publicly searchable:
> >
> > https://www.rsm.govt.nz/licensing/how-do-i/use-the-rrf/search-the-rrf/
> >
> > Alas, this time, I've drawn an almost complete blank. None of the six
> > known ground stations still have their licenses on the register. There
> > are a few lone search suggestions for a licence "57321 PUWERA STARLINK
> > SES", "56530 TE HANA STARLINK SES", "57189 CLEVEDON STARLINK SES",
> > "57282 HINDS STARLINK SES", "56839 CROMWELL STARLINK SES", and "56383
> > AWARUA STARLINK SES" but these searches come up empty or with
> > irrelevant results. Similarly, searching for any kind of satellite
> > licence fails to find them. Similarly looking for "starlink", "space",
> > or "spacex".
> >
> > Yet a traceroute from our Dishy shows that we're still landing in NZ.
> > So that presumably means that the teleports are still operating here
> > and that Starlink isn't backhauling via laser to elsewhere.
> >
> > Security? The locations of the teleports are well known, they're
> > plastered all over the Internet and are visible on Google Maps/Earth.
> > So they're probably not hiding the licences to disguise location.
>
> I think there is a problem with the names of locations of teleports
> reported by these sites.  I suggest to not take them seriously.
>
> For example, satellitemap.space shows for France a same photo for two
> different locations of 2 teleports.
>
> I am not sure how they calculate the positions of the teleports and how
> they report it?
>
> >
> > Website dysfunction? Possible. NZ government department websites don't
> > always work all that well. But I can also find plenty of other
> > licences on the site, so it's not all that dysfunctional.
> >
> > Licence holder change? Then they should pop up under satellite
> > spectrum licenses, but all the contenders there are the usual suspects
> > (Inmarsat, Optus, Iridium, ...). No Starlink in Ku or Ka band.
> >
> > That makes me wonder: Is Elon not paying his fees?
> >
> > Anyone seeing anything similar where they are?
>
>
> I did a search for France and starlink frequencies and city names, at
> regulators ARCEP and at LegiFrance at gov't.  There is also an EU
> regulator to check, as well but I could not identify properly.
>
> I wanted to find precisely the allocated starlink frequencies and the
> cities of teleports.
>
> I could not find definite answers, because: there were disputes in the
> allocations and there are newcomers (Starlink-like LEO Internet
> providers, civilian and military).  There also oppinions from the public
> at large that influence the decisions, typically related to health and
> environmental risks.
>
> This is my interpretation of the current allocations:
>
> The freqs allocated to Starlink in France are: 10.95 GHz (in some docs
> it's written 10.96 GHz) - 12.70 GHz, 14-14.5GHz, 17.7-19.3 GHz and 29.5
> - 30 GHz.
>
> https://www.arcep.fr/actualites/actualites-et-communiques/detail/n/frequences-180423.html
>
> Other constellation freqs that might overlap:
>
>      The freqs considered for allocation to Thales (MCSAT or oneweb?,
> allocated or still under consideration? remark potential overlaps with
> starlink): 17.8 - 18.6 GHz, 18.8 - 19.3 GHz, 19.3 - 19.7 GHz.
> https://www.arcep.fr/uploads/tx_gsavis/20-1409.pdf
>
>      The freqs considered for allocation by law to Thales for "MCSAT-2
> LEO-2": 17.8-18.6, 18.8-20.2,19.7-20.2 (strange two times 20.2),
> 27.5-30,29.5-30.
> https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000043142179
>
>      There are some ARCEP consultations to the public about potential
> allocations to OneWeb.
>
> Maybe these potential overlaps have already been fixed, I dont know.
>
>
> The names of cities:
>
>      The names of cities where starlink teleports might be situated
> hardly appear in the freq allocation documents.  One can see in the
> starlink ARCEP allocations, maybe a city name like "Carros
> (Alpes-Maritimes) ".  There are maybe a few (3?) such city names in the
> ARCEP docs.  Or maybe I could not find them where they are.
>
>      The official(?) geoip  of starlink places indicate only one region
> for France, e.g. "145.224.76.0/24,FR,FR-IDF,Paris".  There are 28 such
> entries for 'FR' and they are all "FR-IDF".  It stands for  Île de
> France, a particular region in France.
> https://geoip.starlinkisp.net/feed.csv
>
>      The teleports shown by satellitemap.space for France are 2 and are
> not situated in IdF (Île-de-France).
>
>      It is incoherent: how many teleports are in France?  Are they all
> situated in IdF?
>
> Alex
>
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