From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x62b.google.com (mail-pl1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F1A53CB38 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 07:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pl1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1cc921a4632so17624255ad.1 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:21:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699618900; x=1700223700; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=dzL7bao3vRS0wVBRluYEyXSniwrJlS28x+Ga+wItm6M=; b=ji2DXNChx+YAeuTIWyY00sDnC218w4+8dYBa33EeIcvaSBeS9h33EmWxPCil1AGzcV +RXzM15BgXv1se2fkBhzaEiy16CZRfLKceuSWYY4++oO10QPyxXSfStJgpQTGA68yt85 qYMLHjwYcQeMbLHKx+pU6brPyE551tl/yoYPVsbNqH8uaCef5oj2c+pvGh74J7aiRwl7 ncjaTyJ9enwYF3myGrScKaRWF8PC9AAjHiKnZ3vOdFmN0LV6PV2ZL8hNM7IsjPd9C1hn 3tOQyZJ9NSGUxgtrO/lYmmork9fCJCNf2jL1fLczUBfjNI63JCpICE/bwNdiqPCa97La YWRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699618900; x=1700223700; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=dzL7bao3vRS0wVBRluYEyXSniwrJlS28x+Ga+wItm6M=; b=RJZxr9vT7nsuKASBPuAw8P9TrcTgJcjkQlUAxlZOv12tcQKiyCFsjspCp4A5833kRR BFhUf+FBPbgTzOxRYpGu8nJdaNGC9hcbu+U4pqRIHtbjSZMrgdIE6sEi4bT093fiItB+ XiSd/7EZ5Wd4dWrLGR8cqmExl7t7tw1KE6D8vNm1W1HnialA149C6xWDeKGYd8OZp5Qo /QXe9yl7TSOMK3aUBqUpdxHSi6eKZBJlIPs9XMjEpy22i+JMpkHZnkgbkkwZbRHeg6xb ShzHly0/Dnd++uMW1B0FyNOmzoDV8EuQ1L3jra+gQsWXw4mgCOuUIAOVffUNcBUYVJ9T EN3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx0jv0j//czd+EpOMtrpQhsdm3yDnPi0YSCz7mhFqRH2QSazSGg g+xaeBCWPTnruD9LAb1cbzoweCJ3+18f6dc7zRTm0WdY7CU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:38c4:b0:27c:fc2a:a178 with SMTP id nn4-20020a17090b38c400b0027cfc2aa178mt4932349pjb.9.1699618900132; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:21:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Inemesit Affia Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 13:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cd384b0609cb5c4f" Subject: Re: [Starlink] one dish per household is silly. X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:21:42 -0000 --000000000000cd384b0609cb5c4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Starlink terms of service as at launch with the round dishes required each user to pay regardless of the number of dishes. Not unusual compared to other ISP's. Of course you can share regardless. Cruise liners use 6 to 12 dishes to deliver service to thousands. And there's people using it for free WiFi in restaurants and airplanes and schools On Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 12:44 PM Dave Taht via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > My objection to steve song's analysis here: > > https://manypossibilities.net/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/ > > A) Am I the only person left in the world that shares his wifi? A > single dishy can easily serve dozens of people which lowers the cost > per person enormously. Starlink has limited density per cell in the > first place, so hanging a wired or wireless bridge off of it and > covering a small town or merely multiple houses, not much of a > problem. I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of > people as one example. > > B) I keep seeing estimates of service life being 5 years, when at the > moment I see it being 10 or more. > > > -- > Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000cd384b0609cb5c4f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Starlink terms of service as at launch with the round dis= hes required each user to pay regardless of the number of dishes. Not unusu= al compared to other ISP's.

Of course you can share regardless. Cruise liners use 6 to 12 dishes to d= eliver service to thousands. And there's people using it for free WiFi = in restaurants and airplanes and schools

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 12:44 P= M Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
My objection to steve song's analysis here:

https://manypossibilities.n= et/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/

A) Am I the only person left in the world that shares his wifi? A
single dishy can easily serve dozens of people which lowers the cost
per person enormously. Starlink has limited density per cell in the
first place, so hanging a wired or wireless bridge off of it and
covering a small town or merely multiple houses, not much of a
problem. I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of
people as one example.

B) I keep seeing estimates of service life being 5 years, when at the
moment I see it being 10 or more.


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