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From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
To: "David Bray, PhD" <david.a.bray@gmail.com>
Cc: "Dave Taht via Starlink" <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects
	heard this time!" <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"Robert McMahon" <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:47:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJUtOOgB74vNbn=sir6UqyyoY3HKQcgbkCy=h_C9E_EGoaHs1g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+aeVP8QHhoyt1RR73nkybW88ugY7MEuSSak2HSzbjAOab_pVA@mail.gmail.com>

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If you have time now by any chance, Brendan Carr is speaking on Spaces, on
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All the best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 6:49 PM, David Bray, PhD <david.a.bray@gmail.com>
wrote:

> FCC's staff continues to shrink. 1420-or-so employees in 2022, 1755-or-so
> in 2012, 1952-or-so in 2004. So about a 25% reduction over the last twenty
> years. There are several good people there among the staff, however they
> also face an increasing number of tasks and demands with less resources.
> Public service depends on folks being willing to step up and be of service.
>
> Also, ultimately it is the decision of the Commissioners. Staff can brief
> the Commissioners and present evidence, the Commissioners are there to make
> the policy decisions. Remember Commissioners are Presidentially-appointed,
> Senate-confirmed which selects for certain things in keeping with our
> Constitution. For the staff, this means accepting that politics may
> supersede even the best technical briefing.
>
> Such is how representative governments work. And if you circle back to
> Plato's The Republic, the conclusion is such is how humanity wants it - we
> don't want a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king. Each of us wants
> compromises - the difference being those specific compromises. Plato
> (through the voice of Socrates) also concludes humanity would probably kill
> a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king if we were to ever have one
> - again because despite everyone saying they want this, they really only
> want such a person if that person agrees with them fully. Or as Tears for
> Fears aptly put it: "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" =
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awoFZaSuko4
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 1:00 AM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Robert. Exactly what I meant. Therefore I added NN list, because
>> Nathan was engaging with us there, and with Dave (me and some others, to my
>> knowledge) either directly or via his staffers and he really wanted to
>> catch up on tech things that are the culprits of Net Neutrality
>> (bufferbloat.)
>>
>> So instead of assuming that Nathan Simington and Brendan Carr are
>> “bought” as someone did, I can the FCC itself as an entity can be
>> understaffed at worse.
>>
>> But still, I appreciate efforts to learn about what’s going in here and
>> getting it right.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Frank
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 3:46 AM, Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this common in that appointment of commissioners go through a
>>> political process. The FCC has a technology group, too. When I worked with
>>> them about 8 years ago, they had skilled researchers on staff and a highly
>>> skilled director. They asked good questions about engineering decisions,
>>> like what is limiting the number of mimo streams on devices.
>>>
>>> Their physical facility is a bit dated, and they don't get stock grants.
>>> I respect the engineers I worked with for what they did.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> On Dec 13, 2023, at 2:38 PM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <
>>> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would love for Nathan to be here with us, and comment on that :-) so
>>>> I will add NN list as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>>>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 11:21 PM, Richard Roy <dickroy3777@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Frantisek Borsik via Starlink
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM
>>>>> *To:* Dave Taht via Starlink
>>>>> *Subject:* [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink’s RDOF
>>>>> Application
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> “*Elon Musk*’s Starlink was not the only major company to inflate its
>>>>> capabilities
>>>>> <https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/04/rdof-reverse-auction-criticized-google-makes-pandemic-gains-california-broadband-access-for-k-12/> in
>>>>> RDOF bids. Nearly 100 bidders have defaulted since the auction, leaving in
>>>>> limbo an estimated $2.8 billion
>>>>> <https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/06/what-happens-to-the-estimated-2-8-billion-in-rdof-defaults/> of
>>>>> the $9.2 billion originally awarded.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The FCC upheld another denial
>>>>> <https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/12/fcc-proposes-22-million-fine-against-ltd-over-rdof/>
>>>>>  on Monday in the case of LTD Broadband, which appealed the
>>>>> commission’s finding that it could not reasonably serve the more than
>>>>> 500,000 locations to which it had committed. The commission also hit LTD
>>>>> with a $21.7 million fine for its default.
>>>>>
>>>>> The commission’s two Republicans dissented to Starlink’s denial,
>>>>> claiming they saw a path for the company to improve its speeds before the
>>>>> first deployment deadline in 2025.”
>>>>>
>>>>> *[RR] The reason two lawyers “saw a path” is because they were
>>>>> bribed/conned into to see it. In my nearly 50years of experience dealing
>>>>> with the FCC, extremely rarely are the people at the top in the commission
>>>>> tech savvy.  In general, they have NO CLUE when it comes to technology …
>>>>> period! **JJ*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/12/fcc-upholds-denial-of-starlinks-rdof-application/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
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>>>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>>>>
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>
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-14 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-13 21:25 [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink’s " Frantisek Borsik
     [not found] ` <A8DC9114A92F47D5AAE1D332B5E5007D@SRA6>
2023-12-13 22:38   ` [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's " Frantisek Borsik
2023-12-14  2:46     ` [Starlink] [NNagain] " Robert McMahon
2023-12-14  6:11       ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-12-14 17:48         ` David Bray, PhD
2023-12-14 18:47           ` Frantisek Borsik [this message]
2023-12-14 18:51           ` Nathan Simington
2023-12-14 19:44             ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-12-15 12:07             ` Alexandre Petrescu
2023-12-15 12:37               ` Gert Doering
2023-12-15 12:43                 ` Alexandre Petrescu
2023-12-15 12:44                   ` Gert Doering
2023-12-15 12:46                     ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-12-15 13:24                       ` Gert Doering
2023-12-15 13:40                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-12-15 18:06                         ` David Lang
2023-12-15 18:51                           ` rjmcmahon
2023-12-15 19:13                             ` David Lang
2023-12-15 21:29                               ` rjmcmahon
2023-12-15 21:42                                 ` David Lang
2023-12-15 22:04                                   ` David Bray, PhD
2023-12-15 22:10                                     ` David Lang
2023-12-15 22:13                                       ` David Bray, PhD
2023-12-15 22:33                                         ` Kenline, Doug
2023-12-15 22:36                                         ` Dave Taht
2023-12-19 19:33                                         ` Alexandre Petrescu
2023-12-15 22:05                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-12-15 22:13                                     ` David Lang
2023-12-15 22:26                                   ` Dave Taht
2023-12-16  4:16                                     ` David Lang
2023-12-16 17:30                                       ` rjmcmahon
2023-12-16 18:48                                         ` Robert McMahon
2023-12-16 21:44                                           ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-12-16 22:28                                             ` Robert McMahon
2023-12-17  0:25                                               ` Dave Taht
2023-12-23 21:17                                                 ` J Pan
2023-12-18  8:25                                               ` David Lang
2023-12-15 15:46                     ` Livingood, Jason
2023-12-17 17:32                       ` Alexandre Petrescu
2023-12-17 18:06                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-12-16  8:15                     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2023-12-15 13:06               ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-12-16  8:09                 ` Alexandre Petrescu
2023-12-16 11:14                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-12-17  1:54             ` [Starlink] other fcc services at sea Dave Taht
2023-12-16 13:03 [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application David Fernández
2023-12-18  8:09 ` David Lang
2023-12-16 14:33 David Fernández

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