From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x831.google.com (mail-qt1-x831.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::831]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C51E3CB37; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 01:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt1-x831.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-425ff068d02so1315871cf.1; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:00:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702533616; x=1703138416; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Fu1S8Y5ccuvetgHC9Ztdm5GB8heuhJD0jEIV2sMK98A=; b=TAnCFPTXktFv1GtD8XvCOH+0/JoczYJWpns/goMHqxfT2uneLylkVVWKcbfi04h3ub VOFxwe0F2z7BQxovLm+iBsGSkjVD1HvM6ZcHy6zIKLU7+SYOHeJs/vkLzCU16tHj/hC1 vuWlTLINvUJd/XlnOme540M0lgfehuzLO/1gACgdU4z7jwFQophrWhsj8fbcpJFpJVRK JD3tyeQRHoeOapOs+HX9J/xlrJh6ibjkCpMBdF8ji0WRj34NgLfHI2mS9zVuQjU0XQ4X t2dH5YDG2JavAnEC6wHhzSmUrZLwq4WJC5tJ5rd90CCBO+vZk39JW1BcO25fTZNQOZnQ Wrpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702533616; x=1703138416; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Fu1S8Y5ccuvetgHC9Ztdm5GB8heuhJD0jEIV2sMK98A=; b=CjrRGOlLsjGTgpgDowpciVrdjsgfT/4zpQW8wefmxlVJ8Xh/OdJXJHRJEWCLGdfHYI jktWCnogB2IO2zLvWS0XFtC69iaDQrATACmJDopz4tkI+C/bUePXDTJBEe2TzZUs9sHU JT1mJJAjMyGI6AGackL8KPXb3SbiF7YHVHd6PdL5Hb0zZOK4MqSB7GTPvoIpFRoZ6RNU 24TtQBu1iD7GYiuESM+/IEDioAF1oHsCQ5nT0NK/ojD6imaQPZC9acqmEV542Sn43OpD ywAZLSmXTpk7cYIY0mTiUW4E/9JNRTewobmX5nqcBv9ip0IyDlD+UVYfuz/3ER2Yd3AF bIsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzHeZ+KKspCVK4pb0iPr4vU7/XRw7I00l91XHcjSYhDAGVvcgIg AHxRDt4UyjoLdA8lXOY3/eqfGA8NAnKRfSucngM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEPuD8OkkGTc6etcnK7zg5RCGeNoeNKUnMVouG7Ydwoof7b9Kp3kURtQuDwqRlbdla79lkihIUcvE2vBqkgCL8= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5d8d:0:b0:425:8ee6:3ce7 with SMTP id d13-20020ac85d8d000000b004258ee63ce7mr8062918qtx.22.1702533615614; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:00:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> From: Frantisek Borsik Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 07:11:54 +0100 Message-ID: To: Robert McMahon Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_a_spec?= =?UTF-8?Q?ts_heard_this_time=21?= , dickroy@alum.mit.edu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006081f7060c71ff7c" Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 06:00:16 -0000 --0000000000006081f7060c71ff7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Robert. Exactly what I meant. Therefore I added NN list, because Nathan was engaging with us there, and with Dave (me and some others, to my knowledge) either directly or via his staffers and he really wanted to catch up on tech things that are the culprits of Net Neutrality (bufferbloat.) So instead of assuming that Nathan Simington and Brendan Carr are =E2=80=9C= bought=E2=80=9D as someone did, I can the FCC itself as an entity can be understaffed at worse. But still, I appreciate efforts to learn about what=E2=80=99s going in here= and getting it right. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 3:46 AM, Robert McMahon wrote: > I think this common in that appointment of commissioners go through a > political process. The FCC has a technology group, too. When I worked wit= h > them about 8 years ago, they had skilled researchers on staff and a highl= y > skilled director. They asked good questions about engineering decisions, > like what is limiting the number of mimo streams on devices. > > Their physical facility is a bit dated, and they don't get stock grants. = I > respect the engineers I worked with for what they did. > > Bob > On Dec 13, 2023, at 2:38 PM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> I would love for Nathan to be here with us, and comment on that :-) so I >> will add NN list as well. >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Frank >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >> Skype: casioa5302ca >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 11:21 PM, Richard Roy >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] *On >>> Behalf Of *Frantisek Borsik via Starlink >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM >>> *To:* Dave Taht via Starlink >>> *Subject:* [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink=E2=80=99s RDOF App= lication >>> >>> >>> >>> =E2=80=9C*Elon Musk*=E2=80=99s Starlink was not the only major company = to inflate its >>> capabilities >>> in >>> RDOF bids. Nearly 100 bidders have defaulted since the auction, leaving= in >>> limbo an estimated $2.8 billion >>> of >>> the $9.2 billion originally awarded. >>> >>> >>> >>> The FCC upheld another denial >>> >>> on Monday in the case of LTD Broadband, which appealed the >>> commission=E2=80=99s finding that it could not reasonably serve the mor= e than >>> 500,000 locations to which it had committed. The commission also hit LT= D >>> with a $21.7 million fine for its default. >>> >>> The commission=E2=80=99s two Republicans dissented to Starlink=E2=80=99= s denial, >>> claiming they saw a path for the company to improve its speeds before t= he >>> first deployment deadline in 2025.=E2=80=9D >>> >>> *[RR] The reason two lawyers =E2=80=9Csaw a path=E2=80=9D is because th= ey were >>> bribed/conned into to see it. In my nearly 50years of experience dealin= g >>> with the FCC, extremely rarely are the people at the top in the commiss= ion >>> tech savvy. In general, they have NO CLUE when it comes to technology = =E2=80=A6 >>> period! **JJ* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/12/fcc-upholds-denial-of-starlinks-= rdof-application/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Frank >>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> >> --0000000000006081f7060c71ff7c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Robert. Exactly what I meant. Therefore I added N= N list, because Nathan was engaging with us there, and with Dave (me and so= me others, to my knowledge) either directly or via his staffers and he real= ly wanted to catch up on tech things that are the culprits of Net Neutralit= y (bufferbloat.)

So inst= ead of assuming that Nathan Simington and Brendan Carr are =E2=80=9Cbought= =E2=80=9D as someone did, I can the FCC itself as an entity can be understa= ffed at worse.

But still= , I appreciate efforts to learn about what=E2=80=99s going in here and gett= ing it right.

All t= he best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisek= borsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMess= age, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
=


On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 3:46 AM, Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrot= e:
I thi= nk this common in that appointment of commissioners go through a political = process. The FCC has a technology group, too. When I worked with them about= 8 years ago, they had skilled researchers on staff and a highly skilled di= rector. They asked good questions about engineering decisions, like what is= limiting the number of mimo streams on devices.

Their physical facility is a bit dated, and they don'= t get stock grants. I respect the engineers I worked with for what they did= .

Bob
On Dec 13, 2023, at 2:38 PM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <= ;nnagain= @lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I would love for Nathan to be here with us, and comment o= n that :-) so I will add NN list as well.


All the best,

Frank<= br>Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekbors= ik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage,= mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com


On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 11:21 PM, Richard = Roy <dickro= y3777@comcast.net> wrote:

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From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t] On Behalf Of Frantisek Borsik via Starlink
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM
To: Dave Taht via Starlink
Subject: [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink=E2=80=99s RDOF Application

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CElon Musk=E2=80=99s Starlink was not the only major company to=C2=A0= inflate its capabilities=C2=A0in RDOF bids. Nearly 100 bidders have defaulted since the auction, leaving in limbo an=C2=A0<= /font>estimated $2.8 billion=C2=A0of the $9.2 billion originally awarded.=C2=A0

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The FCC= =C2=A0upheld anothe= r denial=C2=A0on Monday= in the case of LTD Broadband, which appealed the commission=E2=80=99s finding that it could not reasonably serve the more th= an 500,000 locations to which it had committed. The commission also hit LTD with a $21= .7 million fine for its default.

The com= mission=E2=80=99s two Republicans dissented to Starlink=E2=80=99s denial, claiming they saw a path for the company to improve its speeds before the f= irst deployment deadline in 2025.=E2=80=9D

[RR] The reason two lawyers =E2=80=9Csaw a path=E2=80=9D is because they were bribed/conned into to see it. In my ne= arly 50years of experience dealing with the FCC, extremely rarely are the people at the = top in the commission tech savvy.=C2=A0 In general, they have NO CLUE when it c= omes to technology =E2=80=A6 period! JJ

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All the best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/i= n/frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com

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