*THIS <3 …I continue down below.* “In the bars I visited, and the hotel I stayed at, approval of spacex was roughly 100%, with a sense of pride and accomplishment and knowledge in the waiters and waitresses I engaged with. I realize that is not a scientific sample. There were no protestors on the beach, no-one with signs out saying stop this thing, either. I do not think there is much lack of local PR. Also tens of thousands of space tourists feeding the local economy made for some of the best live music I have encountered in decades. There was a level of energy and enthusiasm in this booming town that I have not seen in America in a long, long time.” I was always bullish on Elon: from Tesla stock shorting, to not believing in electric cars, standing against any form of crony capitalism - and he is one of the prime examples of it worldwide, to still not believing in his end game (X - “everything app”, ala WeChat in China, which is a disaster for Freedom, coupled with end of cash and CBDC and Social Credit system) in case of Twitter, although I really appreciate that his involvement in Twitter helped Free Speech and Freedom in general and it shines a badly needed light on the state of the social media and mainstream media in general. Especially on their enslavement by governments worldwide, they have become just a regime stenographer over time. BUT —> through all the lovely enthusiasm here, from all of You, and from Dave personally, as we have discussed SpaceX etc…I feel that need to come over to the US and to witness at least one rocket 🚀 launch on my on!!! As I told Dave already, I was hoping to visit Baikonur, Kazakhstan 🇰🇿, but not gonna happen, most probably, for quite some time. I’ve been lucky to visit Peenemunde, Germany 🇩🇪, that infamous V1 & V2 rocket site of Nazi Germany from WWII and I cannot recommend to visit it enough, to anyone interested in rockets, technology and WWII, too. Some readings to the Peenemunde below and can’t wait to see You all at some of the SpaceX rocket launches. Thanks to all for great information shared here! https://www.dark-tourism.com/index.php/germany/15-countries/individual-chapters/223-peenemuende https://www.erih.net/i-want-to-go-there/site/the-peenemuende-historical-museum https://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/peene/peenemuende.html https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?entryid=3989 https://www.uncubemagazine.com/blog/12603627 https://www.porta-polonica.de/en/atlas-of-remembrance-places/peenemunde-poles-and-hitlers-miracle-weapon-v2-rocket http://ieg-ego.eu/en/threads/backgrounds/en/mediainfo/v2-rocket-gantry-at-peenemunde On Sat, 13 May 2023 at 1:41 AM, Dave Taht via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:18 PM Darrell Budic > wrote: > > > > The TLDR; is probably: > > Thank you. > > > > > - site originally used a sort of short form Environmental Impact > Statement to certify for occasional falcon 9 launches, not exploding > starship testing > > - updates have been made to allow for the testing, and this is where the > recent lawsuits are centered > > - crazy things have been floated for the site (LNG shipping terminal, > 250MW power plant) that would have required new evals > > I do not think these things are crazy. This location has many > advantages, being both close by to an airport and a major commercial > harbor and shipyard > ( https://www.portofbrownsville.com/ ), which is also a source of > competent labor and other manufacturing. There are few locations I can > think of as good as this for rocket development left in the USA. > > The ecological damage even of a full load explosion on the ground is > trivial compared to the damage already done by development elsewhere. > > It IS too close to cities, being about 6? miles from san padre and 3 > from mexico, IMHO. A 40 second delay in the ATS system, coupled with a > full throttle and out of control rocket headed straight in those > directions would be bad. Aside from that water surrounds about half > the area. > > > - lots of this is probably traceable to Musk’s lack of local PR and just > trying to crash forward and the recent train derailments in the news > raising awareness > > In the bars I visited, and the hotel I stayed at, approval of spacex > was roughly 100%, with a sense of pride and accomplishment and > knowledge in the waiters and waitresses I engaged with. I realize that > is not a scientific sample. There were no protestors on the beach, > no-one with signs out saying stop this thing, either. I do not think > there is much lack of local PR. Also tens of thousands of space > tourists feeding the local economy made for some of the best live > music I have encountered in decades. There was a level of energy and > enthusiasm in this booming town that I have not seen in America in a > long, long time. > > > - SpaceX seems to be realizing this site may not be what they need and > may to be looking at doing more at Kennedy Space Center in the future > > Certainly kennedy is more conventional but even more cramped. > > > - if the lawsuit against the EPA stays in Washington DC, it may be > trouble for SpaceX, if it moves to Texas at the EPAs request, it’s more > likely to mean little overall > > I agree that texas puts a much higher priority on economic development > than some. > > > > > But you miss a lot of somewhat interesting policy and background on the > Environmental angle, which turns out to be more involved than I’d have > thought from a distance. > > I will listen, but I suffered through the "snail darter" days a lot > back in the day. Environmental damage in this location is easily > offset elsewhere. > > > > > Also nice that the Planetary Society posts a full transcript if you’d > rather read/skim than listen. > > > > > On May 12, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > could you summarize? > > > > > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:48 AM Darrell Budic via Starlink > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Some intersting coverage on the route SpaceX took with their Boca > Chica site and environmental issues here: > > >> > > >> > https://www.planetary.org/planetary-radio/space-policy-edition-spacexs-starship-vs-the-environment-with-eric-roesch > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Starlink mailing list > > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Podcast: > https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/ > > > Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos > > > > > -- > Podcast: > https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/ > Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > -- All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com