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From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
To: Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] SpaceX/Starlink says it's ready for a fall satellite-to-cell service with T-Mobile
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:20:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJUtOOi8=r+E342DMd5rSbhJ+Ak3c6pA6QVoLROxof4YLxiq8g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p6o20r04-orp8-q0o3-8089-n9s58roqq7nq@ynat.uz>

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Some additional reading from William Webb:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/satellite-direct-device-workable-william-webb-sonke/?trackingId=Sjha4DY8SqONFA9g%2Bb5b%2Bw%3D%3D

All the best,

Frank

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On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 2:54 AM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:

> Eugene Y Chang wrote:
>
> >> On Jun 3, 2024, at 12:41 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
> >>
> >> Eugene Y Chang wrote:
> >>
> >>> I expect low data rate because the distance will fall back to a lower
> coding rate.
> >>
> >> I think it's going to be more a matter of very large cells, so many
> people sharing the available bandwidth
> >>
> >>> I observe a difference in my phone’s batter life between urban and
> rural usage. I expect the battery life to be significantly reduced with
> Starlink.
> >>> And yes… if the phone isn’t communicating then the battery life isn’t
> drawn down much…
> >>
> >> In my experience, a phone that's trying to find a tower uses more power
> than one that has a tower, but is otherwise idle
> >
> > When the phone is searching for a tower, it is transmitting at maximum
> power.
> > Then, the phone adjusts the transmit power according to the distance to
> the tower,
> > In an urban environment, the distance to the tower is usually less (i.e.
> smaller cells due to subscriber density).
> > In a rural environment, there is more distance to the tower, and the
> phone is transmitting at higher power (i.e., towers are farther apart for
> larger cells due to fewer subscribers per tower, up to the max tower
> separation.)
> > When you are mobile, the power is proportionate to the mean distance to
> the tower during your operations.
>
> and for direct-to-satellite, it's going to be a max power situation,
> similar to
> rural.
>
> But when a phone is not connected, how frequent are it's searches for
> towers
> (especially if it has multiple bands to check) compared to the 'keepalive'
> pings
> when it is connected? if it's doing more transmissions for it's search and
> attempts to connect than it does while connected and just confirming the
> connection, that could eat more power.
>
> David Lang

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-04 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-03 18:08 Frantisek Borsik
2024-06-03 18:17 ` the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
2024-06-04 12:32   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-03 20:47 ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-03 21:16   ` David Lang
2024-06-03 21:57     ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-03 21:59       ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-06-03 22:41       ` David Lang
2024-06-04  0:13         ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-04  0:54           ` David Lang
2024-06-04 11:20             ` Frantisek Borsik [this message]
2024-06-04 11:43               ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-04 11:54                 ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-06-04 13:11                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2024-06-04 18:10                     ` David Lang
2024-06-04 18:51                       ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-04 18:58       ` Michael Richardson
2024-06-04 23:01         ` Mike Puchol
2024-06-05  3:17           ` David Lang
2024-06-05  4:16             ` Mike Puchol
2024-06-05  4:26               ` David Lang
2024-06-05  4:47               ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-06-05  6:12                 ` Mike Puchol
2024-06-05  7:03                 ` David Lang
2024-06-05 11:30         ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-04 10:42 David Fernández

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