[Starlink] Re: Amazon Leo announcing up to 1 Gbps (DOWN) and 400 Mbps (UP)

[Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>]

Chatted with an ISP, LibreQoS customer, using eero since forever, this is
what he see:

*"Depends on the models. The eero 5's added CAKE, then the eero 6 and 6+
was FQ-CoDel, I think performance issues, and then the eero7 line is back
to CAKE. I've not heard anything about them removing it."*

It would be really crazy if they would do it. People are using them because
of great mesh AND fixed bufferbloat, for the most part.

All the best,

Frank

Frantisek (Frank) Borsik


*In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2025 at 9:29 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>
wrote:

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30982654
>
>
> https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4728289-needing-clarification-on-eero-models-for-fttc-and-fttp.html
>
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/873848/
>
>
> Here are some links to clarify/muddy the water as appropriate. Like I said
> earlier, I don't know the current reality, but there are people who know
> it's a thing at Amazon
>
>
> Dec 9, 2025 9:21:15 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>:
>
> I don't know anything non public, I got the information by following Dave
> Täht's work online.
>
> Dec 9, 2025 9:13:32 AM Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>:
>
> Yeah, eero has (or had?!) a great CAKE implementation. So now they got rid
> of it? WTH
>
> Can you share more about it? Even if only privately…
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
> In loving memory of Dave Täht: 1965-2025
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
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> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Dec 2025 at 9:11 AM, Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Amazon also makes residential routers in the EERO brand. I heard they had
>> then removed their AQM (in a new product).
>>
>> Don't know the current state.
>>
>> But there's institutional knowledge.
>>
>> Dec 9, 2025 8:48:53 AM Frantisek Borsik via Starlink <
>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>:
>>
>> I can't imagine a situation in which Amazon Leo - without using CAKE or
>> FQ-CoDel - would get good results, as Starlink didn't without FQ-CoDel
>> Hope that they will talk to us, and get help. Sadly, there is no Dave
>> Taht
>> here anymore, to chase them for the good of their users :(
>>
>> Improvements to CAKE are happening; MQ-CAKE (from Toke), some other good
>> options are raising, algorithms like FQ-PIE and PURPE CAKE, improvements
>> like xTCP2, XDP2: I will be talking about it at
>> https://understandinglatency.com - register, if you didn't, yet.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>
>>
>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>
>>
>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>
>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>
>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>
>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2025 at 2:26 AM David Collier-Brown via Starlink <
>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> Michael Richardson wrote:
>>
>> …
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/25 15:57, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
>>
>> …
>>
>>
>> MS is really /really/ bad at handling anything bigger/more-laggy than
>> the original token-ring and ethernet LANs. In the case of SMB, people
>> built local caching/middleware boxes using Samba to get the RTT down.
>>
>> They're the first folks who taught me that it's latency, not bandwidth.
>>
>> --dave
>>
>> --
>> David Collier-Brown,         | Always do right. This will gratify
>> System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
>> davecb@spamcop.net           |              -- Mark Twain
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