From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: [Starlink] Re: Starlink and Iran
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2026 09:12:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJUtOOjM2McrtWRCc-=Zm1kUGqG69u2Ta3uSfcwNWibP1f=DOg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b9de4eb6-c2a7-4aba-8257-9574943badfb@auckland.ac.nz>
Starlink Terminal GPS Spoofing/Jamming Detection in Iran:
https://github.com/narimangharib/starlink-iran-gps-spoofing/blob/main/starlink-iran.md
Shared on Twitter:
https://x.com/narimangharib/status/2011426151999193513
<https://x.com/narimangharib/status/2011426151999193513?s=46&t=cDwZQ2vjNXB5mf76dxo5Hw>
All the best,
Frank
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 at 5:18 AM, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> I suspect (and may be wrong there) it's not that the uplink beam is
> narrow: That would be hard to do with an antenna that's size limited by
> the need to keep it a consumer device that the customer can be expected
> to handle and install. Rather, I suspect that it's the compute overhead
> involved at the ground end when it comes to recalculating the correct
> phases for tracking the fast-moving satellite. Basically, if you had
> unlimited compute power at the Dishy, you could recompute the beam
> frequently enough to always keep the satellite at the centre of the
> beam. Instead, if you position the beam such that the satellite moves
> across it, you can wait with recomputation until the satellite is about
> to leave the beam. This means less computation, cheaper chips, and less
> power use.
>
> That all said, a 2 km deviation isn't what I had in mind with "precision
> location" - I was thinking more of the type of deviation seen when the
> US military still applied "selective availability" to the civilian
> signal, and positions tended to be a few dozen to maybe a couple of
> hundred metres out. The 2 km more than cover this - and your
> observations actually confirm that position accuracy down to a couple of
> metres isn't needed here.
>
> On 16/01/2026 10:47 am, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote:
> > Actually, a precise location is required to calculate the uplink beam.
> > For the downlink, it's not so critical (at least for the initial
> > sky_search procedure), since the satellite beam covers the whole cell.
> > But the uplink beam is quite narrow, and the terminal needs to
> > pinpoint the moving satellite.
> > From my experiments, shifting the GPS data for more than 2km breaks
> > the math and disrupts the connection. With an incorrect position,
> > Starlink is stuck in NO_SCHEDULE mode.
> >
> > On 1/15/26 22:07, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:
> >> Military-grade GPS kind of lost its exclusivity a long time ago when
> >> people came up with DGPS (differential GPS), where a local reference
> >> station with known position transmits a "delta" signal to the GPS
> >> signal received at that location. And then of course came GLONASS &
> >> Co., so there's currently about four GPS-like systems out there, and
> >> most modern receivers support all. That said - these signals can all
> >> be interfered with and spoofed.
> >>
> >> For Starlink, precision location isn't actually required (it's enough
> >> for Dishy to know which cell it's in because that determines the
> >> beams). But GPS receiver chips are cheap and extra position accuracy
> >> doesn't do any harm.
> >>
> >> On 16/01/2026 6:10 am, J Pan wrote:
> >>> easier to attack gps?
> >>>
> https://github.com/narimangharib/starlink-iran-gps-spoofing/blob/main/starlink-iran.md
> >>>
> >>> although not all technically correct. "inhibitGps" is a user choice
> >>> through the mobile app ("Use Starlink positioning exclusively") not
> >>> system determination, but gps spoofing is indeed there. starlink could
> >>> be authorized to decode military-grade gps signals as well?
> >>> --
> >>> J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA,
> >>> Web.UVic.CA/~pan
> >>>
> --
> ****************************************************************
> Dr. Ulrich Speidel
>
> School of Computer Science
>
> Room 303S.594 (City Campus)
>
> The University of Auckland
> u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/
> ****************************************************************
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-16 8:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-15 9:51 [Starlink] Starlink and Iran Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 10:06 ` [Starlink] " Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 10:30 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 10:44 ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 11:16 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 10:32 ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 10:51 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 11:17 ` David Lang
2026-01-15 11:59 ` Sauli Kiviranta
2026-01-15 14:08 ` David Lang
2026-01-15 15:29 ` Sauli Kiviranta
[not found] ` <3af2ac06-e098-4c79-869d-9c389959ca07@gmail.com>
[not found] ` <q9304244-661o-3qsr-o6rp-9q1nqq09r419@ynat.uz>
[not found] ` <4ba64a41-bbbf-4fb5-adb0-c77c15e4ca0f@gmail.com>
2026-01-15 16:20 ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 20:12 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 17:10 ` J Pan
2026-01-15 20:07 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 21:47 ` Oleg Kutkov
2026-01-16 4:18 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-16 8:12 ` Frantisek Borsik [this message]
2026-01-16 8:24 ` Inemesit Affia
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-01-15 14:50 David Fernández
2026-01-15 16:11 ` Oleg Kutkov
2026-01-15 17:13 ` J Pan
[not found] <176849731431.1249.14387618908540773471@gauss>
2026-01-15 17:42 ` Colin_Higbie
2026-01-15 18:56 ` Jim Forster
2026-01-15 20:15 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 20:27 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 20:30 ` Hayden Simon
2026-01-15 21:06 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 21:09 ` Hayden Simon
2026-01-15 21:20 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 21:23 ` Hayden Simon
[not found] <176851123059.1249.8585659892308012167@gauss>
2026-01-15 21:49 ` Colin_Higbie
2026-01-15 23:15 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-01-16 0:13 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-16 1:29 ` David Lang
2026-01-16 22:55 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-01-16 23:06 ` J Pan
[not found] ` <13187.1768590201@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
2026-01-16 23:30 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-17 0:07 ` David Lang
2026-01-17 21:56 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-19 20:39 ` David Lang
2026-01-28 3:09 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-28 3:30 ` David Lang
2026-01-28 4:02 ` Mike Puchol
2026-01-28 9:05 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-28 9:53 ` David Lang
2026-01-28 20:43 ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-28 20:55 ` David Lang
2026-01-17 18:32 ` Michael Richardson
2026-01-17 18:38 ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-17 19:25 ` Michael Richardson
2026-01-17 22:12 ` Ulrich Speidel
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