From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x82f.google.com (mail-qt1-x82f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B172C3CB40; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 14:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt1-x82f.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-425a76bb53fso7979541cf.1; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:32:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702582349; x=1703187149; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=jmi7QO9mo7Y8nfjXJgegHW6wkh8KfuD3xGQ2zSlK4kE=; b=JshM2l9NfpP2+i9SaNvFVmVoTK/o46oI2fnj6lm7QiK8SIM9LccYHE2NpFOeNLWebe 412dpNIIlm+0oqbmI3KkrgGMlDuZ+eaY09/Oz4RLYsUGTYOAuf7FfAHo8JHKI0DtrsxF qZDtn13w4xtb6L4o0oa/K2HFPrFkwTIjF+dS0yPVLS9J9m7ckYutxJ911rodOLswZtYJ qnLPvCH8JtDjc3hG84Tzl1mMutYMWt/6Ju9uzyWFZhjQq5RGUsb33lD+/C1x6BGhs2Pf 4PFEnS5E5MrDH6wV9xH6kYx4igdS0moB3LBDcp7oisdIJ+p8l+YoBAiH6XhPpsu786C7 KFMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702582349; x=1703187149; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=jmi7QO9mo7Y8nfjXJgegHW6wkh8KfuD3xGQ2zSlK4kE=; b=k4LAX148iXWPkzUFjALlYMse8hforJ6/Z7jT+ZKMFAq13H/S5GohE3q2ecuagIuPDZ JuRo5MybTVP58eT3OVyB3MxUaAf0hOyt84tcnpfPRAaCBrWyT4rdUoN9xVAvPyVh7Es7 7tyownEoQLSOe7Vqs5TzJsTM6QaUvePChrHD26Tici9BJzOI4JRNWrdau6za6Utk2R92 DAqy41lCswggzZgsyxXuHmhpr+IoJrmIhtUh7uzdQjDSDp3EVpIulcN4i4anGB+v0uNl KFx/4LL+cJ9Iaa6XZI7V7G2jc09/TTGMfG/CXLclIzoJLnM/mvkIkqfAxlvqAPZUKXbQ qAhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YytlYEFDnawFtX9JMAXGxtZp5SXryBINHWeTG7J+K8ZDx6XZ2m6 SdfDjMqxdzcamaaVEXzXEO5BLKLc7VIh0RysmU63uz9Z X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFNl0ugZtP82GJT8hvOd8iOijY3diwxi/yEKQLGJ34lLzSMrFpIl66afpwFr2xehpeFu3WBKUOqVTQD3rCciWk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:244:b0:425:4042:f45f with SMTP id c4-20020a05622a024400b004254042f45fmr13867183qtx.67.1702582348618; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:32:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: From: Frantisek Borsik Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 20:44:05 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , Nathan Simington Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000171e6a060c7d58d5" Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:32:29 -0000 --000000000000171e6a060c7d58d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Nathan. I=E2=80=99m adding Brendan=E2=80=99s dissent as well: https://x.com/brendancarrfcc/status/1734696706795778126 All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 7:51 PM, Nathan Simington via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Hi folks, > > (Apologies in advance to non-Americans or anyone who doesn't care about > American home broadband policy! Please feel free to immediately delete!) > > I don't want to get overly political on this mailing list, but my > statement on this topic is a matter of public record: > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-23-105A3.pdf. As this item is > now closed, there is no risk of any impermissible side-barring ("ex parte= s" > that would have to be filed on the record, in regulatory jargon) if anyon= e > wants to discuss this. > > The FCC is funded through regulatory fees which, traditionally, fell > predominantly on broadcasters and monopoly-era AT&T. This mechanism, or a= t > least how we calculate it, is increasingly inapposite for a world in whic= h > so much video and voice traffic takes place via unregulated services. > That's one reason the agency is shrinking even as the communications > industry is growing. Another is that many of our necessary functions, suc= h > as RF emissions enforcement, are on a non-fee basis and thus short-term > painless to cut (even if that means that we're abandoning oversight of a > rising noise floor, or of a device world where post-licensure quality fad= e > on emissions control is normal business practice.) > > I'm on the record as saying that the FCC should reallocate resources and > seek additional money with the goal of hiring 500 more engineers and fiel= d > enforcement staff. That number is probably too small, but it would be a > good start ;-) I was horrified to learn recently, while researching my > Title II statement, that the FCC essentially has no internal experts left > on peering and transit. How in blazes was this allowed to happen? (I hire= d > one of the handful left as my chief of staff, but that just makes her > unavailable to the career staff, so...) > > On this specific issue, I think a reasonable person could look at current > federal broadband programs and see a significant bias in favor of fiber t= o > the home. Someone drawing that conclusion might point, in addition to > StarLink's situation, to the specific exclusion of unlicensed-frequency > fixed wireless from the BEAD program, in defiance of the current tech > trends. Anyone finding bias there might further note that the federal > government talks incessantly about line speed but never about traffic > management or router firmware and conclude that technically shallow feder= al > politicians have no better ideas than to resort to the same metric that > ISPs use in their advertising. > > I don't always see eye to eye with TechFreedom, which is why I so > appreciated their filing on the same NOI that some in this group were > involved with filing on. Their filing noted that line speed is a misleadi= ng > and inappropriate proxy for customer experience quality, though not in th= e > detail of the engineering filers, and also pointed out (among other point= s) > that selling broadband to the public on the basis of telehealth and > education is belied by the traffic numbers, which show that entertainment > uses predominate. Not that I have anything against entertainment, but the > feds haven't been candid (and perhaps the public has allowed itself to be > deceived as well) about the reality of how its enormous fiber > infrastructure subsidy commitments will be used in practice. > > If we can provide good service to people without the huge lift of a > universal fiber to the home build, then the United States is headed in th= e > wrong direction and will be wasting a lot of public money. And, unlike > StarLink, we still won't have connected Dave's boat :-) > > All best, > Nathan > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:49=E2=80=AFPM David Bray, PhD via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> FCC's staff continues to shrink. 1420-or-so employees in 2022, 1755-or-s= o >> in 2012, 1952-or-so in 2004. So about a 25% reduction over the last twen= ty >> years. There are several good people there among the staff, however they >> also face an increasing number of tasks and demands with less resources. >> Public service depends on folks being willing to step up and be of servi= ce. >> >> Also, ultimately it is the decision of the Commissioners. Staff can brie= f >> the Commissioners and present evidence, the Commissioners are there to m= ake >> the policy decisions. Remember Commissioners are Presidentially-appointe= d, >> Senate-confirmed which selects for certain things in keeping with our >> Constitution. For the staff, this means accepting that politics may >> supersede even the best technical briefing. >> >> Such is how representative governments work. And if you circle back to >> Plato's The Republic, the conclusion is such is how humanity wants it - = we >> don't want a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king. Each of us wa= nts >> compromises - the difference being those specific compromises. Plato >> (through the voice of Socrates) also concludes humanity would probably k= ill >> a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king if we were to ever have o= ne >> - again because despite everyone saying they want this, they really only >> want such a person if that person agrees with them fully. Or as Tears fo= r >> Fears aptly put it: "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" =3D >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DawoFZaSuko4 >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 1:00=E2=80=AFAM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain < >> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Robert. Exactly what I meant. Therefore I added NN list, becaus= e >>> Nathan was engaging with us there, and with Dave (me and some others, t= o my >>> knowledge) either directly or via his staffers and he really wanted to >>> catch up on tech things that are the culprits of Net Neutrality >>> (bufferbloat.) >>> >>> So instead of assuming that Nathan Simington and Brendan Carr are >>> =E2=80=9Cbought=E2=80=9D as someone did, I can the FCC itself as an ent= ity can be >>> understaffed at worse. >>> >>> But still, I appreciate efforts to learn about what=E2=80=99s going in = here and >>> getting it right. >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Frank >>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 3:46 AM, Robert McMahon >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think this common in that appointment of commissioners go through a >>>> political process. The FCC has a technology group, too. When I worked = with >>>> them about 8 years ago, they had skilled researchers on staff and a hi= ghly >>>> skilled director. They asked good questions about engineering decision= s, >>>> like what is limiting the number of mimo streams on devices. >>>> >>>> Their physical facility is a bit dated, and they don't get stock >>>> grants. I respect the engineers I worked with for what they did. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> On Dec 13, 2023, at 2:38 PM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain < >>>> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would love for Nathan to be here with us, and comment on that :-) s= o >>>>> I will add NN list as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> >>>>> Frank >>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>>> >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 11:21 PM, Richard Roy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Frantisek Borsik via Starlink >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM >>>>>> *To:* Dave Taht via Starlink >>>>>> *Subject:* [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink=E2=80=99s RDOF >>>>>> Application >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> =E2=80=9C*Elon Musk*=E2=80=99s Starlink was not the only major compa= ny to inflate >>>>>> its capabilities >>>>>> in >>>>>> RDOF bids. Nearly 100 bidders have defaulted since the auction, leav= ing in >>>>>> limbo an estimated $2.8 billion >>>>>> of >>>>>> the $9.2 billion originally awarded. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The FCC upheld another denial >>>>>> >>>>>> on Monday in the case of LTD Broadband, which appealed the >>>>>> commission=E2=80=99s finding that it could not reasonably serve the = more than >>>>>> 500,000 locations to which it had committed. The commission also hit= LTD >>>>>> with a $21.7 million fine for its default. >>>>>> >>>>>> The commission=E2=80=99s two Republicans dissented to Starlink=E2=80= =99s denial, >>>>>> claiming they saw a path for the company to improve its speeds befor= e the >>>>>> first deployment deadline in 2025.=E2=80=9D >>>>>> >>>>>> *[RR] The reason two lawyers =E2=80=9Csaw a path=E2=80=9D is because= they were >>>>>> bribed/conned into to see it. In my nearly 50years of experience dea= ling >>>>>> with the FCC, extremely rarely are the people at the top in the comm= ission >>>>>> tech savvy. In general, they have NO CLUE when it comes to technolo= gy =E2=80=A6 >>>>>> period! **JJ* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/12/fcc-upholds-denial-of-starlin= ks-rdof-application/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank >>>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Nnagain mailing list >>>>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nnagain mailing list >>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > > > -- > Nathan Simington > cell: 305-793-6899 > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --000000000000171e6a060c7d58d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Nathan.

I=E2=80=99m adding Brendan=E2=80=99s dissent as well:

All the best,
=
Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsikSignal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:= =C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
<= br>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 7:51 PM, Nathan Simington via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t> wrote:
Hi folks,<= /div>

(Apologies in advance to non-Americans or anyone w= ho doesn't care about American home broadband policy! Please feel free = to immediately delete!)

I don't want to get ov= erly political on this mailing list, but my statement on this topic is a ma= tter of public record:=C2=A0https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachm= ents/FCC-23-105A3.pdf. As this item is now closed, there is no risk of = any impermissible side-barring ("ex partes" that would have to be= filed on the record, in regulatory jargon) if anyone wants to discuss this= .

The FCC is funded through regulatory fees which,= traditionally, fell predominantly on broadcasters and monopoly-era AT&= T. This mechanism, or at least how we calculate it, is increasingly inappos= ite for a world in which so much video and voice traffic takes place via un= regulated services. That's one reason the agency is shrinking even as t= he communications industry is growing. Another is that many of our necessar= y functions, such as RF emissions enforcement, are on a non-fee basis and t= hus short-term painless to cut (even if that means that we're abandonin= g oversight of a rising noise floor, or of a device world where post-licens= ure quality fade on emissions control is normal business practice.)

I'm on the record as saying that the FCC should reall= ocate resources and seek additional money with the goal of hiring 500 more = engineers and field enforcement staff. That number is probably too small, b= ut it would be a good start ;-) I was horrified to learn recently, while re= searching my Title II statement, that the FCC essentially has no internal e= xperts left on peering and transit. How in blazes was this allowed to happe= n? (I hired one of the handful left as my chief of staff, but that just mak= es her unavailable to the career staff, so...)

On = this specific issue, I think a reasonable person could look at current fede= ral broadband programs and see a significant bias in favor of fiber to the = home. Someone drawing that conclusion might point, in addition to StarLink&= #39;s situation, to the specific exclusion of unlicensed-frequency fixed wi= reless from the BEAD program, in defiance of the current tech trends. Anyon= e finding bias there might further note that the federal government talks i= ncessantly about line speed but never about traffic management or router fi= rmware and conclude that technically shallow federal politicians have no be= tter ideas than to resort to the same metric that ISPs use in their adverti= sing.

I don't always see eye to eye with TechF= reedom, which is why I so appreciated their filing on the same NOI that som= e in this group were involved with filing on. Their filing noted that line = speed is a misleading and inappropriate proxy for customer experience quali= ty, though not in the detail of the engineering filers, and also pointed ou= t (among other points) that selling broadband to the public on the basis of= telehealth and education is belied by the traffic numbers, which show that= entertainment uses predominate. Not that I have anything against entertain= ment, but the feds haven't been candid (and perhaps the public has allo= wed itself to be deceived as well) about the reality of how its enormous fi= ber infrastructure subsidy commitments will be used in practice.
=
If we can provide good service to people without the huge li= ft of a universal=C2=A0fiber to the home build, then the United States is h= eaded in the wrong direction and will be wasting a lot of public money. And= , unlike StarLink, we still won't have connected Dave's boat :-)

All best,
Nathan

On = Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:49=E2=80=AFPM David Bray, PhD via Nnagain <nnagain@lists= .bufferbloat.net> wrote:
=
FCC's staff continues to shrink. 1420-or-so employees in 2022, 175= 5-or-so in 2012, 1952-or-so in 2004. So about a 25% reduction over the last= twenty years. There are several good people there among the staff, however= they also face an increasing number of tasks and demands with less resourc= es. Public service depends on folks being willing to step up and be of serv= ice.

Also, ultimately it is the decision of t= he Commissioners. Staff can brief the Commissioners and present evidence, t= he Commissioners are there to make the policy decisions. Remember Commissio= ners are Presidentially-appointed, Senate-confirmed which selects for certa= in things in keeping with our Constitution. For the staff, this means accep= ting that politics may supersede even the best technical briefing.

Such is how representative governments work. And if y= ou circle back to Plato's The Republic, the conclusion is such is how h= umanity wants it - we don't want a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosop= her king. Each of us wants compromises - the difference being those specifi= c compromises. Plato (through the voice of Socrates) also concludes humanit= y would probably kill a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king if we = were to ever have one - again because despite everyone saying they want thi= s, they really only want such a person if that person agrees with them full= y. Or as Tears for Fears aptly put it: "Everybody Wants to Rule the Wo= rld" =3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DawoFZaSuko4
=



On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 1:00=E2=80= =AFAM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:=
Thanks, Robert. Exactly what I= meant. Therefore I added NN list, because Nathan was engaging with us ther= e, and with Dave (me and some others, to my knowledge) either directly or v= ia his staffers and he really wanted to catch up on tech things that are th= e culprits of Net Neutrality (bufferbloat.)

So instead of assuming that Nathan Simington and Brenda= n Carr are =E2=80=9Cbought=E2=80=9D as someone did, I can the FCC itself as= an entity can be understaffed at worse.

<= div dir=3D"auto">But still, I appreciate efforts to learn about what=E2=80= =99s going in here and getting it right.

All the best,=

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/in= /frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2= =A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik= @gmail.com


On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 3:= 46 AM, Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
I think this common in that appointment of commiss= ioners go through a political process. The FCC has a technology group, too.= When I worked with them about 8 years ago, they had skilled researchers on= staff and a highly skilled director. They asked good questions about engin= eering decisions, like what is limiting the number of mimo streams on devic= es.

Their physical facility is a bit dated, and they don'= t get stock grants. I respect the engineers I worked with for what they did= .

Bob
On D= ec 13, 2023, at 2:38 PM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat= .net> wrote:
I would love for Nathan to be here with us, and comment o= n that :-) so I will add NN list as well.


All the best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

= h= ttps://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsAp= p:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skyp= e: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com

=

O= n Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 11:21 PM, Richard Roy <dickroy3777@comcast.net> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t] On Behalf Of Frantisek Borsik via Starlink
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM
To: Dave Taht via Starlink
Subject: [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink=E2=80=99s RDOF Application

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CElon Musk=E2=80=99s Starlink was not the only major company to=C2=A0= inflate its capabilities=C2=A0in RDOF bids. Nearly 100 bidders have defaulted since the auction, leaving in limbo an=C2=A0<= /font>estimated $2.8 billion=C2=A0of the $9.2 billion originally awarded.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The FCC= =C2=A0upheld anothe= r denial=C2=A0on Monday= in the case of LTD Broadband, which appealed the commission=E2=80=99s finding that it could not reasonably serve the more th= an 500,000 locations to which it had committed. The commission also hit LTD with a $21= .7 million fine for its default.

The com= mission=E2=80=99s two Republicans dissented to Starlink=E2=80=99s denial, claiming they saw a path for the company to improve its speeds before the f= irst deployment deadline in 2025.=E2=80=9D

[RR] The reason two lawyers =E2=80=9Csaw a path=E2=80=9D is because they were bribed/conned into to see it. In my ne= arly 50years of experience dealing with the FCC, extremely rarely are the people at the = top in the commission tech savvy.=C2=A0 In general, they have NO CLUE when it c= omes to technology =E2=80=A6 period! JJ

=C2=A0




All the best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/i= n/frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com

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