From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8B9F3B29D; Wed, 1 May 2024 03:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-434d0a63151so38696671cf.3; Wed, 01 May 2024 00:24:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1714548251; x=1715153051; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=i4iMVQx+/ONaQuci8OhiHuZTYmDiP0FUeoaNBw5d0M0=; b=hjmAT/6Sla8OSvI0IXgcP6WX27LHDgBC2vTzsVZlMD7opVE0mxHf/AJyR4BP8GshFg VIYDWxZTlVWYC46HLNP0KfvaTAW1KdiCg+Xiaynk0BL52V7ifzK1NOI//uPT3AWsXALO mMfbfHZ1G/88fZktDqTxDlXNUZ9w6/RpIniBqlcr/3it/rtGAct9FsXqnj6r3PIY5uz0 LAzLl5ca3CXFkvy1CBFs2kHlZgqEpr8wx6RPQBgyLGukRBbCb+UMhpO6y2GR0FV0IHmZ F6ufiujEGAMCk63NbsToTyyt3i1msjRMJvI5/7HUGcFypYNSD13tEKjKdXo96WHVp4kI kkKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1714548251; x=1715153051; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=i4iMVQx+/ONaQuci8OhiHuZTYmDiP0FUeoaNBw5d0M0=; b=Ro2Nv9S/TXOFMAOnsqjL3dOPRrurkLNxm8bID0vBBrcCmx5NcGAbWC6JW+hBCGEJLD lM5VaES0k3BOgZAPZpqaRhv/hoFlS5sIA/AK8bm+Yr+zwBOEB77vCvYT8vGqkqhL6hHy Ux+BrOAyI45L/Xn9NXfSeCmhZxb6EbLCq02Xb9tMUJeZFcd42e626tDTBXhg7O/O6Xrz 6f9UDFw44BWLfKjDvwy8ckwQfUSpUmKKWQSYPsQlOimikR5ItWhSkXUp+NG/m+VpG8ew 0GOjrKVbmsdM7D4bGQbThSIK3oFVQYIemrxKZIt27QyvtNZjbLv53SvSL7dnc3MaZCM0 21gg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCU3qCFBwtP4A+1GvNVU6OKS5dQPUIp14sH2Y8tBkLsbvz9JIqwdIQTqELy6SbN3tZx4n379I9yQSeeoypvm7PC7CXhui9JHLbUreAPtP9Ciy1RiuR6Tp0oThUHP005+wEoUNC1FrDc7SOBu6qHc3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzCiaTLQ/DfPcu9FAEfsiEMbjBk90r7zG0wNaxOMY+w8lsd+i9x 4HVEEoqGof6lw+HYj+HGBpoc2n4R+k8bwi8OOA4ch3PsSHqqSzrOAZOYS3CIRt/9b/iYL0ekhw4 uBW8nQIu8twyJ7CmkvgsdSNLfnqY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEOuC7iC/YnJnHOlMZr5WNhm85/G2Yoeyg3nmmLyg0JzZ5157iFBDSTJ0VmwRBLMo0QLhiJBTR64Vv+VgBt+Os= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:449:b0:43a:ee30:dd02 with SMTP id o9-20020a05622a044900b0043aee30dd02mr1488598qtx.30.1714548251076; Wed, 01 May 2024 00:24:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1A972680-ECA5-42CA-BE8B-6BBD46FF5E74@ieee.org> <177B7A46-A7F3-4F70-B975-30323E015F7A@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <177B7A46-A7F3-4F70-B975-30323E015F7A@mac.com> From: Frantisek Borsik Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 09:23:35 +0200 Message-ID: To: Jim Forster , Sina Khanifar Cc: Dave Taht , Dave Taht via Starlink , Eugene Y Chang , Colin_Higbie , libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000074aeae06175f5fa1" Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?b?W0xpYnJlUW9TXSAgSXTigJlzIHRoZSBMYXRlbmN5LCBG?= =?utf-8?q?CC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2024 07:24:11 -0000 --00000000000074aeae06175f5fa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the comments, Jim. I'm adding Sina , CEO at Waveform, to the conversation. Maybe he will have some answers... All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 5:28=E2=80=AFAM Jim Forster wrot= e: > I kind of like Waveform BB test, but a couple issues: > > * From some places in India? and Southern Africa, the closest server they > use is far away. Consequently the base latency is much higher than most > content, which these days comes from CDNs. > > * I don=E2=80=99t mind the ads, but I did get a comment from someone I re= ferred to > it, that the site was =E2=80=98mostly about trying to sell some gear=E2= =80=99. WF could > alleviate that with an explanation of who they are, etc. Maybe it=E2=80= =99s there > & I missed it? > > =E2=80=94 Jim > > On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS < > libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > he also had a waveform result as best as I recall. Simpler than running > flent. > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 2:23=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik < > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here are the tests Dave was talking about: >> >> [image: image.png] >> > > --00000000000074aeae06175f5fa1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the comments, Jim. I'm adding Sina, CEO at Waveform, to the = conversation. Maybe he will have some answers...

All the best,

Frank

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On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 5:28= =E2=80=AFAM Jim Forster <jrforster@= mac.com> wrote:
I kind of like Waveform BB test, but a couple issues:
* From some places in India? and Southern Africa, the close= st server they use is far away.=C2=A0 Consequently the base latency is much= higher than most content, which these days comes from CDNs.

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* I don=E2=80=99t mind the ads, but I did get a comment from som= eone I referred to it, that the site was =E2=80=98mostly about trying to se= ll some gear=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 WF could alleviate that with an explanation of= who they are, etc.=C2=A0 Maybe it=E2=80=99s there & I missed it?
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=C2=A0 =E2=80=94 Jim

On Apr 3= 0, 2024, at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat= .net> wrote:

he also had= a waveform result as best as I recall. Simpler than running flent.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 2:23=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik = <frantis= ek.borsik@gmail.com> wrote:
Here are the tests Dave was talking about:

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