From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22f.google.com (mail-lj1-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E49383B2A4; Wed, 6 Dec 2023 16:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lj1-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2c9f62fca3bso38641fa.0; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 13:46:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1701899186; x=1702503986; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=/C9nkRpiC8vFS9yuCYiVW/tyrmit6sluBDtYLm4kHcY=; b=hlccxgBYAM0nF4sGifU9idqv38Sb/cQW6VH9GF7UPQm264riPfqsuAQV14H++O6AOr UfslEHXwSscOMb8z0ZCGeuGm8Kz9arjZL9UjyhJoFcyJ+GxsRReZzDtrlrfloRPdXDOf Jf93+ldal/o9Cd+ALlQCXRfIjV02dLYLtvRuAzCkYkb1YV77H0lPrrd4cMtl65dRlv/5 qZK5ZubFmWbvJcquTfOwKMmU0LlzZLChOLSrXefHXqz3KiEJx3dxeIf3VApct4H5jndl IbjMkpHv+bLTKQRAPmZuKpLqfNKrOu2/srx6vbqaQUnWNz98SkJuXq0sWg8gmhN+ncph RmPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701899186; x=1702503986; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/C9nkRpiC8vFS9yuCYiVW/tyrmit6sluBDtYLm4kHcY=; b=YEQff03rcpOVDHCKtXNtNtmiGmHN0diM4rdXV6KBBtlUFpzr0QcKEKvt7WoYQdQBkx p7LCriT1FgexepPKgiucf+mXNx/3NXXQbA7Lla8q8+UesJ0hIlLrdT9jMthfFzSUqCbB NBL+Ya5b/u4TIS5kYvm/2fczcctcU8rr9yaHxVBOo+76wlwji1fC/gBX6kDiqEgSrIQg mWe1sKxipK1VQvabpbamL4lekywvtR1euQOSVCbYa3/mvVOfISuj99PgZT6rRlyp049e cFY91Yz3qUEWH5UAo/WiRGy9RWteSk2TneVteeyp2hHwEOCJMWkthkLBh9xx9DEJS2qS 3JaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxXm6JOIyvEreL0yFRjUQcXKQ9i3oA7WqZJGl9EkG01wHp8+ouJ 50I5K5p93TTpkwmxDAtVznlCDM+Z4rU9C9EtgdT7q8SY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFDJsbaJCIUUxNde+KZvbtGIWYXPr4HPUv4EF3wKNxA4iZCTsUPfhoTFXhmi8I4ssjwtDb2+q5ivwLb6IEQ6Do= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9550:0:b0:2ca:1a41:adeb with SMTP id t16-20020a2e9550000000b002ca1a41adebmr931457ljh.34.1701899186080; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 13:46:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6f02:c916:b0:60:2fe7:f04d with HTTP; Wed, 6 Dec 2023 13:46:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Sauli Kiviranta Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 23:46:25 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat , Dave Taht Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] CFP march 1 - network measurement conference X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 21:46:28 -0000 Thank you for sharing! This looks very promising! What would be a comprehensive measurement? Should cover all/most relevant a= reas? Payload Size: The size of data being transmitted. Event Rate: The frequency at which payloads are transmitted. Bitrate: The combination of rate and size transferred in a given test. Bandwidth: The data transfer capacity available on the test path. Throughput: The data transfer capability achieved on the test path. Transfer Efficiency: The ratio of useful payload data to the overhead data. Round-Trip Time (RTT): The ping delay time to the target server and back. RTT Jitter: The variation in the delay of round-trip time. Latency: The transmission delay time to the target server and back. Latency Jitter: The variation in delay of latency. Bit Error Rate: The corrupted bits as a percentage of the total transmitted data. Packet Loss: The percentage of packets lost that needed to be recovered. Energy Efficiency: The amount of energy consumed to achieve the test result= . Did I overlook something? Too many dimensions to cover? Obviously some of those are derived, so not part of the whole set as such. Maybe then next would be to have different profiles where any of those parameters may vary over the test run. e.g. profiles that model congested base stations for mobile data. Different use case specific payload profiles e.g. gop for video transfer? Best regards, Sauli On 12/6/23, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: > This CFP looks pretty good to me: https://tma.ifip.org/2024/call-for-pape= rs/ > > Because: > > =C2=A8To further encourage the results=E2=80=99 faithfulness and avoid pu= blication > bias, the conference will particularly encourage negative results > revealed by novel measurement methods or vantage points. All regular > papers are hence encouraged to discuss the limitations of the > presented approaches and also mention which experiments did not work. > Additionally, TMA will also be open to accepting papers that > exclusively deal with negative results, especially when new > measurement methods or perspectives offer insight into the limitations > and challenges of network measurement in practice. Negative results > will be evaluated based on their impact (e.g. revealed in realistic > production networks) as well as the novelty of the vantage points > (e.g. scarce data source) or measurement techniques that revealed > them." > > > -- > :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >