On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 1:14 PM Ben Greear via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I think that engineers telling other engineers (military) that something isn't
sufficient is making a lot of assumptions that should not be made.

I don't think we need quite that call to inaction :-) . I can certainly see the problem on my Starlink connection, and can classify the degradation of  performance under load that should not be there. It's insufficient for a low latency video call, which I think is an easy definition of a lowest-common-denominator for anything involving vehicle control.

And if you want to propose some solution, then define the metrics of that solution.  First,
what is max latency/jitter/whatever that the application can handle and still be useful?
Why exactly is your ham thing failing, and what latency/jitter would resolve it.  And/or, what mitigation
in your software/procedures would solve it.

My ham application is equivalent to a low-latency voice-only WebRTC call. There are diagnostics for them, and for the video call mentioned above. I would hope that Taht could put together numbers.
 
I know that Dave & crew have made some improvements to the wifi stack, but it is far from
solved even today.  Maybe effort is better done on wifi where developers that are not @spacex
can actually make changes and test results.

This does seem to be a call to inaction, doesn't it? Dave and Co. have been working on WiFi for quite some time and have good papers.