From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x633.google.com (mail-ej1-x633.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::633]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A7223B29E for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 04:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x633.google.com with SMTP id w18so18821798ejq.11 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 01:45:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perens.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tbwG1KumzjxOTIHmjbD8Gf6HqAE1+Tecwnp+3Mwg3ms=; b=KUseHwxhjF5A2BRTlo2+93nO+O8Jsox2Eq4G3qwHgfyCLgdluoetVNTDu7S2mO14zf SR/yxts70AGPD2A5cRKHwf1Dut8ODnr2st45j3wS/yv23upVSKe/fqw9JYL5O90m6y5i yXjhJ0Libnr6TbWOws4ZdLw0xydQzL75naJTM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=tbwG1KumzjxOTIHmjbD8Gf6HqAE1+Tecwnp+3Mwg3ms=; b=Gq1dn3SR1N/lWcapH8K61viy+weqgsSiE29woG4sxi+lnGSuQnc1bL3VFW0GTsJkzV 23uTvBsI4JiX6w4m3d/OXAQeQOXT32Q0cAnxaItC9V1oh85QcbzYNgBjEiTozjP71DAf tvyYohc+jKhCVX3wE33OAVhNjehBmDK2rO4GByQt4QnRGcs1An7PUbz75jE7tLStZZ38 IOfMfPgVmr8vk17bEg/4jHTlwCfzHytCTfCYtZoEZPx+T6jxVhyeMYbFIFdlHGnHFDs8 sPhrC/28/JGw+3ds7o9c5xEjZG3Q912cM4E2yBL3QvdwHwMHxIbEjWX7ZtmL8wfPOt1R xMWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf09VUmypRASrWi01VUr4r0ZvV0S99D9nZqQG0b9BPZgOfCjm+NX 1AZhZYi7Pub1eZGaP2trPXV3c2qcBLo0FtUFLXlWpQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7tKsAJdfoDhdVApcmqbea9Wbq8eQSX8sRSs2bwaz8bNhGKkBR3fWB7BvMVG1QIJpN694LkX01kQE+TPCoZVj0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7e9e:b0:78d:f3b0:fc78 with SMTP id qb30-20020a1709077e9e00b0078df3b0fc78mr4507659ejc.478.1665909933120; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 01:45:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8735bqpq1r.wl-jch@irif.fr> <38522124-6d3b-4ac8-bb20-92bfa35dc9fe@Spark> <87tu46o8e3.wl-jch@irif.fr> <3ea89257-d5f8-4fa9-a90a-c73d49d2a9e2@Spark> <87r0zao0f0.wl-jch@irif.fr> <398208s8-6080-r8q7-s6rs-q9np11428n3o@ynat.uz> <4rn1o59p-36nq-87q9-3n78-828r0qppp221@ynat.uz> <17p02r7n-931q-np8o-n4r5-554psr2n8o79@ynat.uz> In-Reply-To: From: Bruce Perens Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:45:21 +0100 Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Larry Press , Larry Press via Starlink , David Lang Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cabd5305eb22e182" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 08:45:34 -0000 --000000000000cabd5305eb22e182 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM Sebastian Moeller via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > I wonder whether some form of communication would not be better handled by > a dedicated PR department: > Unfortunately the biggest PR problem SpaceX/Starlink has is not one that can be mediated by a PR department. Elon says stupid things. There is the far-right conspiracy theorism, his belief that population collapse will end society if we don't start having more babies, and his recent statement on how he believes the war in Ukraine should be ended. A lot of this seems totally nuts to me and is not going to endear him to people. The impacts upon SpaceX and Tesla have been palpable. I spent some time with Steve Jobs in 12 years at Pixar. There were horror stories about him, but he'd matured. He wasn't perfect, but a lot better. The problem is that he was probably as old then as Elon is now. Thanks Bruce --000000000000cabd5305eb22e182 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM Sebas= tian Moeller via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I wonder whether some form of communication would not be b= etter handled by a dedicated PR department:
Unfortunately the biggest PR problem SpaceX/Starlink has is no= t one that can be mediated by a PR department. Elon says stupid things. The= re=C2=A0is the far-right conspiracy theorism, his belief that population co= llapse will end society if we don't start having more babies, and his r= ecent statement on how he believes the war in Ukraine should be ended. A lo= t of this seems totally nuts to me and is not going to endear him to people= . The impacts upon SpaceX and Tesla have been palpable.

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I spent some time with Steve Jobs in=C2=A012=C2=A0years at Pixar.= There were horror stories about him, but he'd matured. He wasn't p= erfect, but a lot better. The problem is that he was probably as old then a= s Elon is now.

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