From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com (mail-lj1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A35323B29E for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 16:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id b6so8745460ljr.10 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:32:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perens.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=2NElVcSvMfimb3wxiCL5IMB4hsLRwxaqhxTwR+5vTIk=; b=dfrLaq4h4lOm8prO+3HAAz7z3+3Jlu+V1JWgmDID5OTIykyAnJMWriTznr1nPqUP2S 6Dhrb5iCrHvFBf3952l5FOR6dAIJnMqmCdmLykrq10hG922bIsofp5vUb1l6PhH4q/Mw c+DB2+dcyjORNq5REp9KQycwl5kklj59tK6b4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=2NElVcSvMfimb3wxiCL5IMB4hsLRwxaqhxTwR+5vTIk=; b=vDFvK8pSnKrySH2HUfDmZ/fFU3FoA5Y6lwshvG4MrOBTCHDIRBRuNyB1xMJ95/vYP0 FKXy7mYFBb3sNjA6e/+IdoUKJsYI8m6Ra32/qncipdma4jsjaC49oJEirFRdc6FvUJ96 YKZChd5vX26JXX+4lkSGmkowNhLtPXCyP+CQeKaZubisKKdwN3zr7lmWvMst+DKpt+Wt FAG7PkOi+g+cd9cEGPON29T/oWLesIoKYBC5ES93dYMWXj6VboSnQ1pkKiktg/noKhhx TnHTSoKY35YTWf1h6oH0bOqBTrfTr0BIzVdeecHVQMUmu6px5vma1f6OujG2x3ikJFxs RYOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3ykXfgQournMz7iOAlmufehozATieZYa0x66/TTARjw7wf8dew PQ8niK6ZwsvlQ4GID1Yd0DM9KT2BSKPuKDpUIN/DUw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6YmWDdCPoipaHo5b62FFKKJfXuL1HcEEiXd31cj9biED8xYZ9ZWbF99YYTkm/wVeCdQ7wavSMvOE5WkYRREuE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b5d7:0:b0:26d:98c2:6ad2 with SMTP id g23-20020a2eb5d7000000b0026d98c26ad2mr2710210ljn.215.1664224350263; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <060F7695-D48E-413C-9501-54ECC651ABEB@cable.comcast.com> <07C46DD5-7359-410E-8820-82B319944618@alum.mit.edu> <39E525B8-D356-4F76-82FF-F1F0B3183908@ieee.org> In-Reply-To: From: Bruce Perens Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:32:18 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Eugene Y Chang , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003976e805e99a6df2" Subject: Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 20:32:31 -0000 --0000000000003976e805e99a6df2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, as an MVNO user, I get thrown off of T-Mobile when the non-MVNO users want all of the system bandwidth. So we can moderate the statement. But we definitely observe a problem *at our level.* Thanks * Bruce* On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 1:28 PM Dave Taht wrote: > I appreciate you grabbing this bull by the horns bruce! > > However, it is extremely feasible that for their business class, > military, and/or ukraine based services they's actually implemented at > least some of the improvements we've been recommending to them for > 3 years now. It would be smart if they had and weren't talking about it! > > Much like how (at last I heard) verizon puts the at home users in the > lowest 5g service class, if starlink > was trying to shed the first bout of residential users and retain > those that don't care at a high price with less service, they could > not be more effective at that by their baseline services degrading. > -- Bruce Perens K6BP --0000000000003976e805e99a6df2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, as an MVNO user, I get thrown off of T-Mobile when th= e non-MVNO users want all of the system bandwidth. So we can moderate the s= tatement. But we definitely observe a problem at our level.
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks

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On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 1:28 PM Dave Tah= t <dave.taht@gmail.com> wr= ote:
I appreciat= e you grabbing this bull by the horns bruce!

However, it is extremely feasible that for their business class,
military, and/or ukraine based services they's actually implemented at<= br> least some of the improvements we've been recommending to them for
3 years now. It would be smart if they had and weren't talking about it= !

Much like how (at last I heard) verizon puts the at home users in the
lowest 5g service class, if starlink
was trying to shed the first bout of residential users and retain
those that don't care at a high price with less service, they could
not be more effective at that by their baseline services degrading.


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Bruce Per= ens K6BP
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