From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52b.google.com (mail-ed1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E3283CB47 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 16:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id eh3so24941818edb.11 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 13:37:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perens.com; s=google; t=1679085446; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UPR0MiUKUyyqvU3OpRmRrDp6xsHEDVYwG0pFIRcKv7g=; b=OH/C41c/PimW5YEJ5e6q0iYs7QEAOF6roh1VQUuJaV1W4btI6/wtETQs+gYyuItfvT 2Rt+5rLWnCz7w0whBgI2eAeCLG+x2cHUTZRSuSLMUKsc4TqHYKBi4BH7Vj8wvzHTxFIF qN7Z6ZnXZRWRFRmRm4CjoiILrbfF69seXtcis= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679085446; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=UPR0MiUKUyyqvU3OpRmRrDp6xsHEDVYwG0pFIRcKv7g=; b=ewuavcJrYyjPz+5XYpMVAuS+2hsTuvUQq1VZLLUQMsFI4xKXP4D95GTwuYb6pxhR3j KMXznpEUrCjtJQY6r/CdT33dwnN+QpeRKT3UhiOHS1K7qoescoUv3qNecO+WZ3TpOwiz e7iF0hnNe3tokZxFYCQFs1zik16up218tlWuWJ+e6Mf29a66e1yDm6w1qtmpm5tMwmz/ Pvk9m1nGegCAtvzwZ7qffxjrhjuiz2onBA2JpfnoGed/gkUfLFlUavJESOm26WhcMejV tjBt6xfcSg2fhpEw4ETSliFj9A9ELRtnbwFyuoAVV2rQgE/pZPmwRuHH7EB8mbcqQ+Dl Oxvw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUooip+Q6TBdXkAE9m2MYh8nUEbJLyY5bi15N0QpFOhVGc2RDl+ cWjslmxdrY9FKB+4j1MpqgAkl/VcjCf99HvVU8wQ2Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/WSfqrpll0QThrkg9hOd/VbFx5nwcMw2/gMe8+/SXmL32OoZc+6f25Sg+6ty/mkMsL405So0seYs/fdNuwKlk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:e0d3:b0:8ae:9f1e:a1c5 with SMTP id gl19-20020a170906e0d300b008ae9f1ea1c5mr316845ejb.3.1679085446000; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 13:37:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com> <77CCAD19-07E0-4F9E-88C1-D207CF7BF376@cable.comcast.com> <83ffc0dad19e3343e49271889369cefc@rjmcmahon.com> <3CD0B9E6-0B2A-4A70-8F53-ED0822DF77A6@gmx.de> <13DE6E53-665F-4C20-BBE2-70E685421E9D@gmx.de> <22C819FA-DDD7-4B9B-8C09-8008D4273287@gmx.de> <5e7fac51071bdbb20837e72e7eedfc7c@rjmcmahon.com> <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> <70F71290-C6CB-4D19-8A88-F0F17C0BDDA2@gmx.de> <5e0cd693c4749d128dbb48d6c1129071@rjmcmahon.com> <2ab2983d-6beb-49cb-8c35-e481cbfdc7a3@Spark> <8F56CCA3-61C4-475F-975D-99D851C6A7CF@gmx.de> <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> From: Bruce Perens Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 13:37:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: rjmcmahon Cc: Sebastian Moeller , libreqos , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008e8ea805f71e8bbd" Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:37:27 -0000 --0000000000008e8ea805f71e8bbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 12:19=E2=80=AFPM rjmcmahon via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:You=E2=80=99ll hardly ever have to de= al with the annoying > =E2=80=9Cchirping=E2=80=9D that occurs when a battery-powered smoke detec= tor begins to > go dead, and your entire family will be alerted in the event that a fire > does occur since hardwire smoke detectors can be interconnected. > Off-topic, but the sensors in these hardwired units expire after 10 years, and they start beeping. The batteries in modern battery-powered units with wireless links expire after 10 years, along with the rest of the unit, and they start beeping. There are exceptions, the first-generation Nest was pretty bad. --0000000000008e8ea805f71e8bbd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 12:19=E2=80= =AFPM rjmcmahon via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:You=E2=80=99ll hardly = ever have to deal with the annoying
=E2=80=9Cchirping=E2=80=9D that occurs when a battery-powered smoke detecto= r begins to
go dead, and your entire family will be alerted in the event that a fire does occur since hardwire smoke detectors can be interconnected.

Off-topic, but the sensors in these hardwired uni= ts expire after 10 years, and they start beeping. The batteries in modern b= attery-powered units with wireless links expire after 10 years, along with = the rest of the unit, and they start beeping.
There are excep= tions, the first-generation Nest was pretty bad.
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