From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x634.google.com (mail-ej1-x634.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::634]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4989D3B29E for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x634.google.com with SMTP id nb11so15287847ejc.5 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perens.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=7CJs9i4PzflU2WkOv+VTMjp+/Kaj41qKAYL5LuhyLeU=; b=ulELys0L3IwZkjOgod3DYrnFZKH5Krn6I/a7Wpe74VKPTFeAGCCFo1a5p1u7E6GU6J 6oqiymbeakvN/30B6j0A8LldpxuHlQY3Afd36CF+eU4P0jgSB+wsjXERWjfV4jR2/Rgm pU7ODxTZJsb7f9dgM6sz13JUY+xiHTCcGnLsY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=7CJs9i4PzflU2WkOv+VTMjp+/Kaj41qKAYL5LuhyLeU=; b=s1tNzqcTY5mOlPNRQOcOAxpOzotZATnqIt9c6VDqGNKgXdlnacvzeSYfgpMBKzqBct CBx/J3vd3KLYDXuk7QdGVHdR5FQRx86DwroN1H5rHfuZiLIhcn5ZC3XxgrtIvsLyHfjn GEEVrNZnKnfXhE9WjsNv/uOOYesiwH8d/wjVCyP49qHBpinhVBu3oZro4AZOqju9W/L4 QNaTupIGPYRhltgWSCGZHjfmedYtYxHWkuQKv+344zyC5FDqOIqzAYST2V6gEWJSa1WF 0059iKHSpAMmdtG3QMN0bXQBG3DqAApiKEVYx53H+KaUTyQ5WGdFqNgZI/UOHiJJdJYN Ug9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2Eb0FRPOENtlaBu9i83Curq0MSWAfWniwfRHXuETHicVgGtkGd ei5g1xxUnlXTHmrAKwX282T27mZnrpw5DPqM0YN2en8az6MWWw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM55Asrecu/aJsXo4n9yfuxkS9m1B/AmkW/wbY22CpUjWxtZkk5eyRunoqbDeMFC1ZrKutOYTmpzbG7W9TqmtHo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:84a:b0:733:735:2b1a with SMTP id ww10-20020a170907084a00b0073307352b1amr18880340ejb.290.1664209958974; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <060F7695-D48E-413C-9501-54ECC651ABEB@cable.comcast.com> In-Reply-To: From: Bruce Perens Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:32:27 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: "Livingood, Jason" , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006fd20a05e997136d" Subject: Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 16:32:40 -0000 --0000000000006fd20a05e997136d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want to get attention, you can get it for free. I can place articles with various press if there is something interesting to say. Did this all through the evangelism of Open Source. All we need to do is write, sign, and publish a statement. What they actually write is less relevant if they publish a link to our statement. Right now I am concerned that the Starlink latency and jitter is going to be a problem even for remote controlling my ham station. The US Military is interested in doing much more, which they have demonstrated, but I don't see happening *at scale *without some technical work on the network. Being able to say this isn't ready for the government's application would be an attention-getter. Thanks Bruce On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:21 AM Dave Taht via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > These days, if you want attention, you gotta buy it. A 50k half page > ad in the wapo or NYT riffing off of It's the latency, Stupid!", > signed by the kinds of luminaries we got for the fcc wifi fight, would > go a long way towards shifting the tide. > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:29 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:20 AM Livingood, Jason > > wrote: > > > > > > The awareness & understanding of latency & impact on QoE is nearly > unknown among reporters. IMO maybe there should be some kind of backgroun= d > briefings for reporters - maybe like a simple YouTube video explainer tha= t > is short & high level & visual? Otherwise reporters will just continue to > focus on what they know... > > > > That's a great idea. I have visions of crashing the washington > > correspondents dinner, but perhaps > > there is some set of gatherings journalists regularly attend? > > > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 9/21/22, 14:35, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht via Star= link" < > starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on behalf of > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > > I still find it remarkable that reporters are still missing the > > > meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, under load. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FQ World Domination pending: > https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > -- > FQ World Domination pending: > https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --=20 Bruce Perens K6BP --0000000000006fd20a05e997136d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you want to get attention, you can get it for free. I c= an place articles with various press if there is something interesting to s= ay. Did this all through the evangelism of Open Source. All we need to do i= s write, sign, and publish a statement. What they actually write is less re= levant if they publish a link to our statement.

Right no= w I am concerned that the Starlink latency and jitter is going to be a prob= lem even for remote controlling my ham station. The US Military is interest= ed in doing much more, which they have demonstrated, but I don't see ha= ppening at scale without some technical work on the network. Being a= ble to say this isn't ready for the government's application would = be an attention-getter.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks
=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bruce

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:21 A= M Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
These days, if you want attention, you go= tta buy it. A 50k half page
ad in the wapo or NYT riffing off of It's the latency, Stupid!", signed by the kinds of luminaries we got for the fcc wifi fight, would
go a long way towards shifting the tide.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:29 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 8:20 AM Livingood, Jason
> <J= ason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> > The awareness & understanding of latency & impact on QoE = is nearly unknown among reporters. IMO maybe there should be some kind of b= ackground briefings for reporters - maybe like a simple YouTube video expla= iner that is short & high level & visual? Otherwise reporters will = just continue to focus on what they know...
>
> That's a great idea. I have visions of crashing the washington
> correspondents dinner, but perhaps
> there is some set of gatherings journalists regularly attend?
>
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFOn 9/21/22, 14:35, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht= via Starlink" <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net on beha= lf of s= tarlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I still find it remarkable that reporters are = still missing the
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, un= der load.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerow= rt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/
> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC



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