From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2353B2A4 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id d26so6444593vsh.0 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=O78vIn8rOS0ygCbdPphZOGCguX2+MRJ2Bjc70F/PYnI=; b=wvMaVgIMKDmNiynDbI53MY2zuU+8t0km7g2MK2Gqownu1+wPzR9/5PBuC3nEOUmUTu XADsqU33yvQZxCnpfYOcnogwrs6GqqSMtr/Fmgap5j0Kjt0D+pqnUIRb1ySVELSIwOPt yZWgvCqC2HUzvVF735YbIA3JyWcu6aQbg9IcPvwDGhm56L36fuT+5RLgb2VMNOoR9WjK yhMBnA0SgePpz9Q5Q4r+gcwvxD96vjMSXDdYN0swtUvK9PgH3WrvbNeHWkMd+OL08cst EcUQSB6hVE2KWzU+et44Ed6BVGCvb+XjWqmAJYudE5/X3gyTXrcsr+ciB4fC11fF42yj bF5g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=O78vIn8rOS0ygCbdPphZOGCguX2+MRJ2Bjc70F/PYnI=; b=KplyPoPFnE87aOIHPGw6XCeSsf3cSAEK9AkafR3NlKQzEw6A+V7xmbNf1gNPrWrKrf 04yOL4ypX72iYPlHv3Q9iqXIv7nikvAHkeJAarCjMf87Fqh6kueHrbOtZ/LSlOpDqG8T +ZBzwh1FO9OWH3kGyF835hvrBrpwahIBD6Fob6r+qDzxkVAIq23aeH8d3DaJ/XroCwum ICcYKt4Ad093J7kCb6YKT3RNdsIlYKsRh0Hz97YIB1pF1RqV3mCOzTYrSkWcaPDgBVA0 RJ63S1roxb0U9retW9dd2KdDSev33N58uQ8I4nd63B/mq6SpGghNl+BtfE7sxb3cfRYN 5Fkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531+iRI0xULTqiQG5s6VoK3O6+z62sCUyXS2hWQlI5od0Mc9KL0O m2d6lOjqMFSASwtwyF1T+dUTqMcDHcdut/wI/D5a+2MG0bgZzA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyFJxdUnXufRAtFWguj7CVlladhoDJzGlgI5bhVoZk+oT18PC3PGDQ03tQGQInq7+XUYlPPDa1c3aqKZaTDtGw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:c48:b0:31a:6c5a:a13a with SMTP id y8-20020a0561020c4800b0031a6c5aa13amr3869838vss.80.1645813190534; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:19:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9a206057-00b3-da6b-1adf-607a7af025a9@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <2d0ad1db-b6bf-b8c0-79dc-51643abbcc76@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: From: Nathan Owens Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:19:39 -0800 Message-ID: To: Ulrich Speidel Cc: "Daniel AJ Sokolov @mobile" , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, Ulrich Speidel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000096be2605d8dbbe7c" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Tonga's international cable is back up X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:19:51 -0000 --00000000000096be2605d8dbbe7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1497258566347943936 On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:15 AM Nathan Owens wrote: > Per the Starlink 4-11 Launch webcast just minutes ago, they have launched > service in Tonga. > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:12 AM Ulrich Speidel > wrote: > >> Matangitonga said that Starlink wanted to launch this week. But I haven't >> heard confirmation from anyone that they actually have. >> >> I guess a dishy without a link might still make a nice coffee table if >> nothing else & might even keep your coffee at temperature for a bit longer, >> but seriously: I suppose they must think in earnest that they'll be able to >> deliver at least some service some percentage of the time, which is more >> than some of the smaller places have right now. And I don't really want to >> dump on them - at least they tried, as did with varying levels of success >> almost everybody else in the satellite business, and that's really all you >> can ask for. >> >> Tongans are also an incredibly patient and grateful people, whatever they >> have they make do with. I first had plenty of opportunity to witness this >> when we went there on our honeymoon in 2003. One of the island villages we >> stayed on in the Ha'apai group had piped water to the beachfront properties >> installed yonks ago, before they got electricity. Then the Australians >> brought electricity around 2002 & used a trench digger to put the cable in >> along the main drag, unaware that there were water pipes in the ground. The >> locals were too grateful for the electricity to complain that they now >> needed to walk to the cistern to get their water, and the problem remained >> unsolved a year later - we had to wash from big barrels and a bit of >> rainwater off the roof. As we left Ha'apai after a hair-raising boat >> passage in a 4 m boat in 6 m swells, we didn't have a flight booked, so >> went to the Ha'apai office of the long since defunct Royal Tongan Airlines >> to book ourselves on the next flight out. The two ladies in the office gave >> us their most welcoming smiles, along with the regret that they couldn't >> book us a ticket as the computer were down. We asked how long such outages >> typically lasted and were told that they didn't know but this one had >> lasted three months already. We then made our way to the airport with the >> help of a few bored Mormon missionaries. We were the only people there >> until the station manager turned up. He reckoned there would be seats and >> told us that he was the local baker as well and had been trying out artisan >> bread recipes, which the locals liked, but was finding it difficult to get >> the right flour. Nice chat! Eventually the plane arrived early without any >> passengers. Pilots and station manager spent ten seconds bitching about >> their employer (rightfully so, a long story I shan't repeat - but neither >> the employees' nor the management's fault, though), then the pilots decided >> that they wanted lunch in Vava'u and off we took 15 minutes ahead of >> schedule... >> On 22/02/2022 8:45 pm, Daniel AJ Sokolov @mobile wrote: >> >> So the Starlink terminals have arrived on Tongatapu, but are not >> operational yet? >> >> Cheers >> Daniel >> >> >> On February 22, 2022 7:31:25 a.m. UTC, Ulrich Speidel >> wrote: >> >FWIW... this restores connectivity to ~80% of Tonga's population. >> > >> >The domestic cable may be up to 9 months off, depending on cable lead >> >time, apparently it's got to come from France. In the interim, there's >> >work on more satellite connectivity, I heard from a satellite ISP in NZ >> >today that they were about to ship a few units for Eutelsat links up. I >> >haven't heard any further about operational readiness of Starlink, but >> >have heard from a well-connected source that the dishys delivered to >> >Tonga will remain in Tongan government service in underconnected places >> >if and when service becomes available. >> > >> >I would expect them to hang onto a couple of units for Tongatapu just in >> >case there'll be more turbidity currents messing with the cable, heaven >> >forbid. >> > >> >-- >> >**************************************************************** >> >Dr. Ulrich Speidel >> > >> >School of Computer Science >> > >> >Room 303S.594 (City Campus) >> > >> >The University of Auckland >> >u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz >> >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ >> >**************************************************************** >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Starlink mailing list >> >Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> >> -- >> **************************************************************** >> Dr. Ulrich Speidel >> >> School of Computer Science >> >> Room 303S.594 (City Campus) >> >> The University of Aucklandu.speidel@auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ >> **************************************************************** >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > --00000000000096be2605d8dbbe7c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Fri, Fe= b 25, 2022 at 9:15 AM Nathan Owens <= nathan@nathan.io> wrote:
Per the Starlink 4-11 Launch webcast just = minutes ago, they have launched service in Tonga.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022= at 9:12 AM Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
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Matangitonga said that Starlink wanted to launch this week. But I haven't heard confirmation from anyone that they actually have.

I guess a dishy without a link might still make a nice coffee table if nothing else & might even keep your coffee at temperature for a bit longer, but seriously: I suppose they must think in earnest that they'll be able to deliver at least some service some percentage of the time, which is more than some of the smaller places have right now. And I don't really want to dum= p on them - at least they tried, as did with varying levels of success almost everybody else in the satellite business, and that's really all you can ask for.

Tongans are also an incredibly patient and grateful people, whatever they have they make do with. I first had plenty of opportunity to witness this when we went there on our honeymoon in 2003. One of the island villages we stayed on in the Ha'apai grou= p had piped water to the beachfront properties installed yonks ago, before they got electricity. Then the Australians brought electricity around 2002 & used a trench digger to put the cable in along the main drag, unaware that there were water pipes in the ground. The locals were too grateful for the electricity to complain that they now needed to walk to the cistern to get their water, and the problem remained unsolved a year later - we had to wash from big barrels and a bit of rainwater off the roof. As we left Ha'apai after a hair-raising boat passage in a 4 m boat in 6 m swells, we didn't have a flight booked, so went to the Ha'a= pai office of the long since defunct Royal Tongan Airlines to book ourselves on the next flight out. The two ladies in the office gave us their most welcoming smiles, along with the regret that they couldn't book us a ticket as the computer were down. We aske= d how long such outages typically lasted and were told that they didn't know but this one had lasted three months already. We then made our way to the airport with the help of a few bored Mormon missionaries. We were the only people there until the station manager turned up. He reckoned there would be seats and told us that he was the local baker as well and had been trying out artisan bread recipes, which the locals liked, but was finding it difficult to get the right flour. Nice chat! Eventually the plane arrived early without any passengers. Pilots and station manager spent ten seconds bitching about their employer (rightfully so, a long story I shan't repeat - but neither the employees' nor t= he management's fault, though), then the pilots decided that they wanted lunch in Vava'u and off we took 15 minutes ahead of schedule...

On 22/02/2022 8:45 pm, Daniel AJ Sokolov @mobile wrote:
=20 So the Starlink terminals have arrived on Tongatapu, but are not operational yet?

Cheers
Daniel


On February 22, 2022 7:31:25 a.m. UTC, Ulrich Speidel <ulr= ich@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>FWIW... this restores connectivity to ~80% of Tonga's population.
>
>The domestic cable may be up to 9 months off, depending on cable lead
>time, apparently it's got to come from France. In the interim= , there's
>work on more satellite connectivity, I heard from a satellite ISP in NZ
>today that they were about to ship a few units for Eutelsat links up. I
>haven't heard any further about operational readiness of Starlink, but
>have heard from a well-connected source that the dishys delivered to
>Tonga will remain in Tongan government service in underconnected places
>if and when service becomes available.
>
>I would expect them to hang onto a couple of units for Tongatapu just in
>case there'll be more turbidity currents messing with the cable, heaven
>forbid.
>
>--
>****************************************************************
>Dr. Ulrich Speidel
>
>School of Computer Science
>
>Room 303S.594 (City Campus)
>
>The University of Auckland
>u.s= peidel@auckland.ac.nz
>http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/
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>
>
>
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>Starlink mailing list
>Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
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School of Computer Science

Room 303S.594 (City Campus)

The University of Auckland
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http://=
www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/
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