Per the debug data, the dish has GPS, a Gyroscope, a Magnetometer, and an Accelerometer. On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:32 PM David Lang wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Dick Roy wrote: > > > What is involved in "setting the service address"?? > > fairly simple, enter it in the website or contact support > > > Do dishy's have IMUs (aka some means for determining attitude w.r.t. the > > local gravitational vector and true or magnetic north) or GPS modules (or > > both)??? > > we know the first version has a gps module in it, and you really need a > phone to > set it up (and the phone app has access to your location) > > David Lang > > > I am somewhat skeptical that the system would be able to locate a UT just > > based on zero tilt transmissions from the UT. I am guessing something a > bit > > more complex is transpiring, like some rudimentary form of SDMA (aka > > spatio-temporal resource allocation). > > > > RR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Lang [mailto:david@lang.hm] > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 12:53 PM > > To: Mike Puchol > > Cc: 'David Lang'; 'Larry Press'; dickroy@alum.mit.edu; > > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming > > > > that's what happened when I tried to use it ~60 miles away, but when I > tried > > to > > use it ~25 miles away I got the attached error very quickly. > > > > I've used it at a couple locations 5-10 miles away without a problem > > > > I asked starlink support about roaming and it's currently not supported, > you > > can > > change the registered location, and if a slot is available, they'll > approve > > it > > and guarantee service (view of the sky permitting). But when you do that > you > > > > give up the slot at your home location and are not guaranteed to be able > to > > move > > it back. > > > > They told me that I could try it, and it may work, may be degraded a > bit, or > > may > > not work at all. They do plan to add roaming capabilities in the future > (my > > guess is that the laser satellites will enable a lot more flexibility) > > > > David Lang > > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Mike Puchol wrote: > > > >> From what I have observed, there is a new "roaming" flag in terminal > > properties that determines roaming capability. Mine is false, and I could > > not get service if I set the service address too far. > >> > >> The way the UT does it is, after startup, it moves to zero tilt, then > > searches and registers with any passing satellite, likely using a > low-rate, > > omnidireccional beacon. The backend then informs the terminal if it is > out > > of its service address, and if so, it will just sit there doing nothing > > (although it does periodically send stuff). > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Mike > >> On Feb 21, 2022, 23:31 +0300, Dick Roy , wrote: > >>> What does your contract say about the "where" you can expect service > from > >>> your dishy? I suspect the system is capable of tracking all users at > all > >>> times they're in coverage which is how they could/would enforce a > >>> contractual limitation/constraint. > >>> > >>> RR > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On > Behalf > > Of > >>> David Lang > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 11:30 PM > >>> To: Larry Press > >>> Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming > >>> > >>> tonight I took it to a friends house about 25 miles away and within a > > couple > >>> min > >>> it gave me an error message saying that I wasn't at my assigned > location. > >>> > >>> David Lang > >>> > >>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Larry Press wrote: > >>> > >>>> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:22:44 +0000 > >>>> From: Larry Press > >>>> To: David Lang , > >>>> Jonathan Bennett > >>>> Cc: "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" > >>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming > >>>> > >>>> David brought his dish to my location -- about fifty miles from his > >>> service loacation and in a different cell and it could not connect. We > > had a > >>> clear view of the entire sky. He speculated that that was because it > was > >>> registered to use a specific ground station that was out of range at my > >>> place. Does that seem reasonable? > >>>> > >>>> Larry Press > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Starlink on behalf of > > David > >>> Lang > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 12:29 PM > >>>> To: Jonathan Bennett > >>>> Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Roaming > >>>> > >>>> I asked starlink about temp service away from my registered location, > > they > >>> said > >>>> I have two options > >>>> > >>>> 1. formally change the service location (if approved, guaranteed to > > work, > >>> but > >>>> you aren't guaranteed to be able to change the service location back) > >>>> > >>>> 2. best effort, set it up and try it. Service may perfect, or may be > > worse > >>> (all > >>>> the way to non-existant) depending on how many other dishes are in use > > in > >>> the > >>>> area. > >>>> > >>>> I've done some limited testing with my dish within about 15 miles of > my > >>>> registered location (in both cases with less than optimal sky views) > and > >>> it's > >>>> worked without a hitch. I plan to do a test further away this weekend > > (but > >>> in a > >>>> less populated area, so I have high hopes) > >>>> > >>>> David Lang > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It appears that there is now a system in place for Starlink to > > re-connect > >>>>> even if you are outside your official service cell. For those of us > who > >>>>> want to use Starlink on vacations or other trips, this is quite the > >>>>> development. > >>>>> > >>>>> --Jonathan Bennett > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Starlink mailing list > >>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>>> > >>> > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink_ > >>> > > > _;!!P7nkOOY!txPxU76SxJ4JvYe2kDjl5OcuAgSIb7mkHWuCMgt3eSH3Tec--6vePH_RCs0NVt6n > >>> 2TE6_9HsG20fOA$ > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Starlink mailing list > >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Starlink mailing list > >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >