From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe29.google.com (mail-vs1-xe29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3FA03B2A4 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe29.google.com with SMTP id j3so6195554vsi.7 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:15:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dz5ZS3ZWxDEaMYs6d5W16QdYSHxkekTHizbLv8zwbl4=; b=KhAQ0aCJV4UI1+O4mSVN/+rhVzhIC5uau1ERgzACK3BTcVcC6x1yt8ou1mvrgV7EHJ sO+jeIWxH9WOntAAOTlRkSl4w3VZFJHZsJZ4g+WSkdMNcSmc8eNVb0XW/gEGI11yQyeL X+Q+PpdFSS8jDGyrmhuy72BVcUF2i42HlOTTs8oJL2yEDPxAW+CwNqS/JQcxQQBZsU7C fTZamfsme6r40+F006tMyiM7jAS4dyg01OJwM1oBiZlCPMZ+IqgLh/aCKhUuTsffsR9i dtnvPRMkemtaM1cVa5nXV9C568BZDJk/zasWNOU7DnWSEzU1va3hNEH4UYnMC+Am+Dpj Yw0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dz5ZS3ZWxDEaMYs6d5W16QdYSHxkekTHizbLv8zwbl4=; b=7YlLpfH7UVhlFBF2p66VywbQYWh5Up5bnqWbCQcPh5yWs50SmY8Srm0sHIVf40Kadx zoQjMPsupH8M04krlAW4738YFJb0Z9W/LO66VoPkq8qKMiMeNhrQ6x/ZTXqwmTRVpT02 fMNUmXnZnxOBavvA6bDNvc/UHBNVkPSJcbfm0KBy5xivorZomxp8hNRhTvQS2T/krhiT 9SursEMyfiXSBkL0Pp/jKLexYa2BuyCuyWK+yK93AXq4eCi0ztK1YziAC1eQ+s9AJ6S7 tJGEH3Sd9+QyFyG5LNEgFoXn5efcI8YQQ073UAfMAFJzsR/9pk7QmINeWKdtl7UUppXp iQbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532s6JSDhJvVmS7uamxLF1X2yFDaec60qJvnVHJxeDTKYqfh4tqk 4E2sfXHQJ914Z4YUA+24WCROLFMSOC6x2dXbQvnv+XxkgqM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwFXMPV492hs7HJWMK2PN4qua6njaeSSVgZ+ZTyIondyd71Ub2lI0eQLpwyg9AJ0hCfE3Yaf4e22OTFVWzZPXg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:c48:b0:31a:6c5a:a13a with SMTP id y8-20020a0561020c4800b0031a6c5aa13amr3737638vss.80.1645809319846; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:15:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9a206057-00b3-da6b-1adf-607a7af025a9@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <2d0ad1db-b6bf-b8c0-79dc-51643abbcc76@auckland.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <2d0ad1db-b6bf-b8c0-79dc-51643abbcc76@auckland.ac.nz> From: Nathan Owens Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:15:09 -0800 Message-ID: To: Ulrich Speidel Cc: "Daniel AJ Sokolov @mobile" , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, Ulrich Speidel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e0b70805d8dad774" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Tonga's international cable is back up X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:15:20 -0000 --000000000000e0b70805d8dad774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Per the Starlink 4-11 Launch webcast just minutes ago, they have launched service in Tonga. On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:12 AM Ulrich Speidel wrote: > Matangitonga said that Starlink wanted to launch this week. But I haven't > heard confirmation from anyone that they actually have. > > I guess a dishy without a link might still make a nice coffee table if > nothing else & might even keep your coffee at temperature for a bit longer, > but seriously: I suppose they must think in earnest that they'll be able to > deliver at least some service some percentage of the time, which is more > than some of the smaller places have right now. And I don't really want to > dump on them - at least they tried, as did with varying levels of success > almost everybody else in the satellite business, and that's really all you > can ask for. > > Tongans are also an incredibly patient and grateful people, whatever they > have they make do with. I first had plenty of opportunity to witness this > when we went there on our honeymoon in 2003. One of the island villages we > stayed on in the Ha'apai group had piped water to the beachfront properties > installed yonks ago, before they got electricity. Then the Australians > brought electricity around 2002 & used a trench digger to put the cable in > along the main drag, unaware that there were water pipes in the ground. The > locals were too grateful for the electricity to complain that they now > needed to walk to the cistern to get their water, and the problem remained > unsolved a year later - we had to wash from big barrels and a bit of > rainwater off the roof. As we left Ha'apai after a hair-raising boat > passage in a 4 m boat in 6 m swells, we didn't have a flight booked, so > went to the Ha'apai office of the long since defunct Royal Tongan Airlines > to book ourselves on the next flight out. The two ladies in the office gave > us their most welcoming smiles, along with the regret that they couldn't > book us a ticket as the computer were down. We asked how long such outages > typically lasted and were told that they didn't know but this one had > lasted three months already. We then made our way to the airport with the > help of a few bored Mormon missionaries. We were the only people there > until the station manager turned up. He reckoned there would be seats and > told us that he was the local baker as well and had been trying out artisan > bread recipes, which the locals liked, but was finding it difficult to get > the right flour. Nice chat! Eventually the plane arrived early without any > passengers. Pilots and station manager spent ten seconds bitching about > their employer (rightfully so, a long story I shan't repeat - but neither > the employees' nor the management's fault, though), then the pilots decided > that they wanted lunch in Vava'u and off we took 15 minutes ahead of > schedule... > On 22/02/2022 8:45 pm, Daniel AJ Sokolov @mobile wrote: > > So the Starlink terminals have arrived on Tongatapu, but are not > operational yet? > > Cheers > Daniel > > > On February 22, 2022 7:31:25 a.m. UTC, Ulrich Speidel > wrote: > >FWIW... this restores connectivity to ~80% of Tonga's population. > > > >The domestic cable may be up to 9 months off, depending on cable lead > >time, apparently it's got to come from France. In the interim, there's > >work on more satellite connectivity, I heard from a satellite ISP in NZ > >today that they were about to ship a few units for Eutelsat links up. I > >haven't heard any further about operational readiness of Starlink, but > >have heard from a well-connected source that the dishys delivered to > >Tonga will remain in Tongan government service in underconnected places > >if and when service becomes available. > > > >I would expect them to hang onto a couple of units for Tongatapu just in > >case there'll be more turbidity currents messing with the cable, heaven > >forbid. > > > >-- > >**************************************************************** > >Dr. Ulrich Speidel > > > >School of Computer Science > > > >Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > > > >The University of Auckland > >u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz > >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ > >**************************************************************** > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Starlink mailing list > >Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > -- > **************************************************************** > Dr. Ulrich Speidel > > School of Computer Science > > Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > > The University of Aucklandu.speidel@auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ > **************************************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000e0b70805d8dad774 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Per the Starlink 4-11 Launch webcast just minutes ago, the= y have launched service in Tonga.

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On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:12 AM Ulric= h Speidel <u.speidel@aucklan= d.ac.nz> wrote:
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Matangitonga said that Starlink wanted to launch this week. But I haven't heard confirmation from anyone that they actually have.

I guess a dishy without a link might still make a nice coffee table if nothing else & might even keep your coffee at temperature for a bit longer, but seriously: I suppose they must think in earnest that they'll be able to deliver at least some service some percentage of the time, which is more than some of the smaller places have right now. And I don't really want to dum= p on them - at least they tried, as did with varying levels of success almost everybody else in the satellite business, and that's really all you can ask for.

Tongans are also an incredibly patient and grateful people, whatever they have they make do with. I first had plenty of opportunity to witness this when we went there on our honeymoon in 2003. One of the island villages we stayed on in the Ha'apai grou= p had piped water to the beachfront properties installed yonks ago, before they got electricity. Then the Australians brought electricity around 2002 & used a trench digger to put the cable in along the main drag, unaware that there were water pipes in the ground. The locals were too grateful for the electricity to complain that they now needed to walk to the cistern to get their water, and the problem remained unsolved a year later - we had to wash from big barrels and a bit of rainwater off the roof. As we left Ha'apai after a hair-raising boat passage in a 4 m boat in 6 m swells, we didn't have a flight booked, so went to the Ha'a= pai office of the long since defunct Royal Tongan Airlines to book ourselves on the next flight out. The two ladies in the office gave us their most welcoming smiles, along with the regret that they couldn't book us a ticket as the computer were down. We aske= d how long such outages typically lasted and were told that they didn't know but this one had lasted three months already. We then made our way to the airport with the help of a few bored Mormon missionaries. We were the only people there until the station manager turned up. He reckoned there would be seats and told us that he was the local baker as well and had been trying out artisan bread recipes, which the locals liked, but was finding it difficult to get the right flour. Nice chat! Eventually the plane arrived early without any passengers. Pilots and station manager spent ten seconds bitching about their employer (rightfully so, a long story I shan't repeat - but neither the employees' nor t= he management's fault, though), then the pilots decided that they wanted lunch in Vava'u and off we took 15 minutes ahead of schedule...

On 22/02/2022 8:45 pm, Daniel AJ Sokolov @mobile wrote:
=20 So the Starlink terminals have arrived on Tongatapu, but are not operational yet?

Cheers
Daniel


On February 22, 2022 7:31:25 a.m. UTC, Ulrich Speidel <ulr= ich@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>FWIW... this restores connectivity to ~80% of Tonga's population.
>
>The domestic cable may be up to 9 months off, depending on cable lead
>time, apparently it's got to come from France. In the interim= , there's
>work on more satellite connectivity, I heard from a satellite ISP in NZ
>today that they were about to ship a few units for Eutelsat links up. I
>haven't heard any further about operational readiness of Starlink, but
>have heard from a well-connected source that the dishys delivered to
>Tonga will remain in Tongan government service in underconnected places
>if and when service becomes available.
>
>I would expect them to hang onto a couple of units for Tongatapu just in
>case there'll be more turbidity currents messing with the cable, heaven
>forbid.
>
>--
>****************************************************************
>Dr. Ulrich Speidel
>
>School of Computer Science
>
>Room 303S.594 (City Campus)
>
>The University of Auckland
>u.s= peidel@auckland.ac.nz
>http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/
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>
>
>
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>Starlink mailing list
>Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
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Room 303S.594 (City Campus)

The University of Auckland
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