From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x635.google.com (mail-pl1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::635]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9933D3CB37 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2023 19:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x635.google.com with SMTP id o2so6788346plg.4 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2023 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; t=1679873195; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=cIGCVEoHFIviquoz9oRXixUUIwJ+jexdPmoyfFDhxrk=; b=B9BKnnKku8i7HfSQ77gX3YBxihUqIx5+irCF2wZZRXxonaDVa2EOtwEbQx7k3ln7D6 7i9JjqCN1lP1d7Bp4SKYF7G0vh6p7BPN7vaXLww/7GRoefcpVmK0V2GeIFhO0J54MazD SVoYbwbI5yIWQP/6RJc7xeIYotN3plzt/mzb6/HV/ae2Vp7sWqozELNHPw9nU2qBiMWb LQpXG121Mo6hjxh8n+dW6NDbxmf7ttkmQ66EaJeQuJqCwIb6tUaPLdFrBlJHcqtu/XjC TDsU3LJas+iEMDVwMbDtP2VjzrmaVHSomcShU2pVBZup7vx7UoVY9hlsgEnk7vfJTED7 X+gA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679873195; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=cIGCVEoHFIviquoz9oRXixUUIwJ+jexdPmoyfFDhxrk=; b=IjWpaSxc26dxeVRO2e7Gh4aDv57AXc646ZZqoioowSv0LRR6QgBZEVggvlvS/7yEpS vycIS5w/aSQM/weyBjWHlEYnstndH8rgUVx39K3VuBxEaQrirmghiScPVryjp2Ohvqzv BBL8OL9xfRYaUdNJ2apY+R6JxzrnonTi5qMHMSIgqzcwDnhuZQ4Y6h8F+anpUTfHmN19 PU9+Qey2F/2yGP7BW6yVOjw5bpazl5GE8P1SjQR2gayZVXL3/WCT7RjjPC9nwk5lrOAj zmDn2M60PCu+xd3OQKXq1gdWsUK1O8RFd8zSGjr+ZsAssqxfbZbOOB802eevET2LEgA8 zubg== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9ekYBKUFx0pT8zRXGsNL+CYXxKD3mmWy9Hw2gU2Ib9VjG9arioh 2+dOaEQKx1lCb1q/8Yer0XlXPjqBKiJqyx9DFVB4pg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bXEFigv1vHjpFt+jDAbV35uypIWI/63ovZyHmaVP0bjwli4qeiSyMr/nxsq2sBAR61uWq778s/uGWgo6H5kYk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:244f:b0:1a1:9015:4d5c with SMTP id l15-20020a170903244f00b001a190154d5cmr3427936pls.3.1679873195367; Sun, 26 Mar 2023 16:26:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Nathan Owens Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 16:26:24 -0700 Message-ID: To: zoobab@gmail.com Cc: Andrew Crane , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000013f5d005f7d5f50d" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Full Time Boaters: Reliable Remote Work with Two Starlinks X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 23:26:36 -0000 --00000000000013f5d005f7d5f50d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > With 2 links you might have more bandwidth, mptcp first saturate one link before using the second one. It balances evenly, even with UDP traffic based on my testing. I recently tried OpenMPTCPRouter on 2x Starlink dishes, and even with the 6.1 dev kernel and upstream MPTCP had some really wonky issues, presumably caused by the loss and/or latency fluctuations. I'd love it if someone could sort this out... On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 12:28=E2=80=AFPM Benjamin Henrion via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Le dim. 26 mars 2023 =C3=A0 20:07, Andrew Crane via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> a =C3=A9crit : > >> An acquaintance of mine had dinner with this couple recently and >> recommended this post. Thought it might be of interest here. I believe t= he >> brand of router they use (Peplink) has a 'Mitigate Bufferbloat' option, = but >> the author does not mention that in the post. >> >> https://svrenaissance.com/reliable-remote-work-with-starlink/ >> > > Openmptcprouter took a lot of inspiration from our 2017 work to port mptc= p > to openwrt. > > Mptcp has a mode to duplicate packets over both links, with the slowest > one being discarted. > > Biggest problem for videoconferencing is to encapsulate udp in TCP. > > But i have seen multipath UDP, but never tested any solution. > > With 2 links you might have more bandwidth, mptcp first saturate one link > before using the second one. > > If anyone is interested, i can provide help to make a setup. > > Best, > > > >> -- >> Andrew >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --00000000000013f5d005f7d5f50d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> With 2 links you might have more bandwidth, mptc= p first saturate one link before using the second one.

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It balances evenly, even with UDP traffic based on my testing.
I recently tried OpenMPTCPRouter on 2x Starlink dishes, and even with the = 6.1 dev kernel and upstream MPTCP had some really wonky issues, presumably = caused by the loss and/or latency fluctuations. I'd love it if someone = could sort this out...

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 12:28=E2=80=AFPM B= enjamin Henrion via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Le dim. 26 mars 2023 =C3= =A0 20:07, Andrew Crane via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> a = =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
An acquaintance of mine had dinner with this couple rece= ntly and recommended this post. Thought it might be of interest here. I bel= ieve the brand of router they use (Peplink) has a 'Mitigate Bufferbloat= ' option, but the author does not mention=C2=A0that in the post.

Openmptcprouter took a lot o= f inspiration from our 2017 work to port mptcp to openwrt.

Mptcp has a mode to duplicate packets ov= er both links, with the slowest one being discarted.

Biggest problem for videoconferencing is to en= capsulate udp in TCP.

Bu= t i have seen multipath UDP, but never tested any solution.

With 2 links you might have more band= width, mptcp first saturate one link before using the second one.

If anyone is interested, i can pr= ovide help to make a setup.

Best,



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Andrew
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