From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x102c.google.com (mail-pj1-x102c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B3973B29D for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2023 09:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pj1-x102c.google.com with SMTP id j8-20020a17090a3e0800b00225fdd5007fso16388706pjc.2 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 06:26:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=d4T5Xftnnpcp9+XFfsy9HcTnPLFUhW16xv07PUJN0f0=; b=JrSQv2q5pvbqpbaApFnJjAy68rmYEVuROuBNedNZYAXlnCo1OarAG7BEB3/0MxBFej 9x4iqm2Gy7LL9ZFSo2dXsCuvRlmz/X4dWvbxquzmJmHosrSh+ptnuZP0do0lo+/0XUd0 04HfG6bFSTDjogP/yZ7bJlTUEhFHs9Kj61mSRuLeFcSC4pOOJ/MqYiwIGTkBplcKmo53 t4JP83mRkOnNwd/WPxYZgZQWaA9+csJeMwjGl6o6Se2Mpp10mwLjDRwCMu6jIeuyJZtx CKU6wEMVtPFS+QnBK2EppidUXlMWDQmGF7W0b/s2YCEe6YEWNjq7PxjmXL4OeK8QMIaN xE4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=d4T5Xftnnpcp9+XFfsy9HcTnPLFUhW16xv07PUJN0f0=; b=QhkUh1kCh/a5byXe2GqU22KRnfVNv5rOjG/AYqR7xHAWmVJEWF8VgY+oFz2Dv/fsrh IzklVSnCHPFRCba4dAW2bxkrzSmO/vReVvLtPCsB/O0OMrIhoFprjYH6HboA8zq+a3Ny dIGM+QyYf/N7ZjUqAGLiiWHEcQ8Zg0m8FkqPjyUJqj2GXnuHBUiRhGA/GrL5yKdtkgFv PQwEY0YAIQLzTzDxbz62tPZ6lv/vA8/XvmpspD40aF2kR1bBpti65RxuuzJvCKrQh2G3 seMj2CYhLWEyfhx+F4cQSrGCCfmv1vkCflJBKJDEByhUMBAgapbgjm0Uq2a22nvVmHxu iX/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpLRVcPyBYU4PnzH80p3dnF6at/rdv9myyt9a2kyO2eE/VupfvI Dtp4SnaVWosNtRHBebUPHsATo2OAFSXSQPZa0EE0JA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtkVFWphFf49HKqc3pkptiY/w8MmhUnBqCcf0Ix0JpRLMpKmDY/31RwdjgBqSwKgxSP7TdJDtDEPpFUNvocTbU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5d01:b0:225:f478:cb5c with SMTP id s1-20020a17090a5d0100b00225f478cb5cmr1678433pji.223.1672583174081; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 06:26:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7381115c-e248-d885-e4da-c33da77d6fe1@olegkutkov.me> In-Reply-To: From: Nathan Owens Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 06:26:02 -0800 Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Oleg Kutkov , Oleg Kutkov via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f2e9d405f1349d82" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink cheaper in Colombia,cand gps spoofing X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2023 14:26:15 -0000 --000000000000f2e9d405f1349d82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" They don't currently, but that would be a fun thing for them to do. On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 4:02 AM Sebastian Moeller via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Hi Oleg, > > Tangential question below. > > On 1 January 2023 12:49:20 CET, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Starlink has a multisystem GNSS receiver with data filtering, so it can't > be fooled with the single HackRF (i tested it). > > > >I experimented with NMEA data injected directly into the Dishy operating > system, so I can tell there is no way to cheat the system. > >Satellites know your location a wouldn't accept a connection from the > client in an unexpected Cell. All connection slots for all clients and > areas are scheduled. > > > >Besides this, Starlink requires valid and strict GNSS and 1PPS to sync > the local clock, that's vital for the TDD system. > > [SM] Do dishies export their high quality time via NTP or PTP to their > LANs? > > Regards > Sebastian > > > > > > >On 1/1/23 13:18, Benjamin Henrion via Starlink wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Just wondering if you could pay less by pretending to be in Colombia by > spoofing gps sats with a HackRF board: > >> > >> https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffreyHuntley/status/1609490537484275712 > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000f2e9d405f1349d82 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They don't currently, but that would be a fun thing fo= r them to do.=C2=A0

On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 4:02 AM Sebastian Moeller via Sta= rlink <starlink@lists.= bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Hi Oleg,

Tangential question below.

On 1 January 2023 12:49:20 CET, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink <starlink@lists.buffer= bloat.net> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Starlink has a multisystem GNSS receiver with data filtering, so it can= 't be fooled with the single HackRF (i tested it).
>
>I experimented with NMEA data injected directly into the Dishy operatin= g system, so I can tell there is no way to cheat the system.
>Satellites know your location a wouldn't accept a connection from t= he client in an unexpected Cell. All connection slots for all clients and a= reas are scheduled.
>
>Besides this, Starlink requires valid and strict GNSS and 1PPS to sync = the local clock, that's vital for the TDD system.

[SM] Do dishies export their high quality time via NTP or PTP to their LANs= ?

Regards
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sebastian

>
>
>On 1/1/23 13:18, Benjamin Henrion via Starlink wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just wondering if you could pay less by pretending to be in Colomb= ia by spoofing gps sats with a HackRF board:
>>
>> https://mobile.twitter= .com/GeoffreyHuntley/status/1609490537484275712
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Starlink mailing list
>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starl= ink
>

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