From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf1-x430.google.com (mail-pf1-x430.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::430]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FF273B2A4 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x430.google.com with SMTP id i6so4836937pfb.2 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 10:26:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=pxGIC0esxOHFg2tGphkIvKmul1ajTIsoSBRdqKvNS6Q=; b=GO3gTqqqYdUt8GiS7iySljiq2O1yjDQcBOgJbMnw/qHfTExVU784X5tZ0v2zMbDDl9 26BSTe71WtkOuoL61Wp5WkUywmLM4KsH0lgwXW+qGrLsAK7U2sXiuAeB7tMcjWwmwZjZ dgcawVYvQTlP4VBTYzhORhbRaJPQx4g5r/wOeiUempjEEC+Fs6cWmLBpRrBiHuIDflEw sfu5Lb7xGjXqx0dvArzWBuQnMawnAeA6/AAy06g2tJpmcFH2W8hmUV1O9s7+LSk4uA/3 uZbxbokGFGurqnkvIyoOxUUvjzU6kZGAlmQCP57amdY41Pkybca2EgLgXrdI65zJaGs4 Fv8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=pxGIC0esxOHFg2tGphkIvKmul1ajTIsoSBRdqKvNS6Q=; b=Lfj1tQlx45IGvuNG69beu1SU2DbBlAHHSK4DoQ+p1H1nj0IgPj5oJjMcHD684eMkVj otX6FSQQmYec+Pe0fplPk5EMFdI8GsrWCTjtGyvB9MznkiimXh44gnViDQD1jdH4wTx5 rrTzOd5WnmtQiXuR+jsEOqBi7MRoGnRhxuKP0qOsTBJX2eJdWOkvYQ7bKGMJlO65jn+e 6lA4/3nsVax2xhpWlzgvl0LWmAKHzs8ki3ujnws0Plyq7YJCT/VxzRaHhNDgOZec1Hmq 81B2T5rmpBSy1+zgDoqrv1uoWKu1vkPI9hiyA61mmD4ssWfU9xH46Lc2pDmIxOcNMQaH 5aUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2mugA1mEd+u3diqn6kCtmiFDgIKiiFHVZfAx5GRHia7YiW6BJM ByLFi+wnUxZwQF035RI+etjx28Gt4wefhC0XrQ5ZvEBDWh+Ih7N2dIQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7XSxdypaX+lDwEMxveDXwL9lEByCLUut5bgDN7dQuq7jk13Umjmh1VE0zVs3yY+Cr6k4v+lgOYUUoRfBoovBA= X-Received: by 2002:a63:8848:0:b0:440:6360:8f44 with SMTP id l69-20020a638848000000b0044063608f44mr6142743pgd.262.1664558808098; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 10:26:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> <9BBC901E-B98E-4C0D-BEEF-2F6D56AB27A3@gmx.de> <14B0D432-15BA-42AE-9D8D-1DF7E7E50402@ieee.org> <760833.1664541518@dooku> <63D0EE5D-9CCE-479C-8BDD-B7A8DCB80925@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <63D0EE5D-9CCE-479C-8BDD-B7A8DCB80925@alum.mit.edu> From: Nathan Owens Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 10:26:36 -0700 Message-ID: To: Eugene Chang Cc: Michael Richardson , "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000077059705e9e84cf5" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 17:26:49 -0000 --00000000000077059705e9e84cf5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They intend to cover the whole ocean between ~-57 and 57 N by the end of 2022: https://api.starlink.com/public-files/maritime-coverage-map.pdf Per the posts I linked, the lasers are seemingly already working and covering some areas. On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:24 AM Eugene Chang via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Ow=E2=80=A6 the implications on no satellite to satellite routing is all = traffic > is one-hop. That puts limits on big patches of the Pacific Basin. (And no= t > a solution for trans-pacific aircraft.) > > Any clues how far apart are the ground stations? That is a lot of ground > stations. This makes me reconsider (terrestrial) fixed-wireless as an > alternative. > > Gene > ----------------------------------- > Eugene Chang > eugene.chang@alum.mit.edu > +1-781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) > > > > > > On Sep 30, 2022, at 2:38 AM, Michael Richardson via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: > > Hmmmm=E2=80=A6.. is ground station positioning more about geographic topo= logy > or managing subscriber density? I suspect it is easier to manage > subscriber density (and aggregate traffic) by building higher capacity > ground stations than by distributing ground stations. > > > Until they have satellite to satellite routing, the ground stations have = to > be "near" the users that they serve. > > My understanding from this list is that's why they couldn't easily help > Tongo: it > was all just ocean "nearby" (and why they can help Ukraine) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --00000000000077059705e9e84cf5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They intend to cover the whole ocean between ~-57 and= 57 N by the end of 2022: https://api.starlink.com/public-files/maritime-c= overage-map.pdf

Per the posts I linked, the la= sers are seemingly already working and covering some areas.

On Fr= i, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:24 AM Eugene Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wro= te:
Ow=E2=80=A6 the implications on no satellit= e to satellite routing is all traffic is one-hop. That puts limits on big p= atches of the Pacific Basin. (And not a solution for trans-pacific aircraft= .)

Any clues how far apart are the ground stations? That= is a lot of ground stations. This makes me reconsider (terrestrial) fixed-= wireless as an alternative.

Gene=
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On Sep 30, 2022, at 2:38 AM, Michae= l Richardson via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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Signed PGP part

Eugene Y Chang vi= a Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Hmmmm=E2=80=A6.. is ground station positioning more about geograp= hic topology
or managing subscriber density? I suspect it is easier to m= anage
subscriber density (and aggregate traffic) by building higher capa= city
ground stations than by distributing ground stations.

Until they have satellite to satellite routing, the ground stations = have to
be "near" the users that they serve.

My underst= anding from this list is that's why they couldn't easily help Tongo= : it
was all just ocean "nearby" (and why they can help Ukrain= e)





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