From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1032.google.com (mail-pj1-x1032.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1032]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 889003B2A4 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 08:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pj1-x1032.google.com with SMTP id u12so4171594pjj.1 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=8WqQoy51OplBjC47FM8qho41AmnqsdiYmN6857+kdHg=; b=EFb6iNywfRCcJzTaepqu5aF2lzKhZOBGdiEpUT2BOIASw5D/A8iqdGsJVFizZMAaoj fhSykCVMKTFBdcBWZ5iFqifuVyTjm3Jrq5ISBk4jFSaTfSsaLGOAKUIh4WX4Y/oM7K1U BkSEERAIduxGedBSrH8hjxIOkRMseUKFa5Suosc4Ddck+py0Nkl+mfe60l5sPL7b1PBO b0Lb0ZCjOJz477jUMYKm9MJhRCfOtn8QXRM6XorXpGCEqH6hF5ETw1y2v066Jv0F6DlD o/tzi9HTizwhHFVSMrmq3g3S2HEJinO9/0g4Y1jbavyNfD0bNkZmWofpH7+PXpWxCEVh 9kvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=8WqQoy51OplBjC47FM8qho41AmnqsdiYmN6857+kdHg=; b=IoUoobzPDASEgt6eL6BT8zlK3v5wG+X5iGgeFt6kwI5RIn17qo/hbDqPFlLbWZNM/q /ZbDJrKtyuj7zswffUoate/j9t2nrgdgNv2N0ywXNIxD+zp6x1TTeYaabazqn1+2gT3M TIY/SQCR/FQBHfB55Kvntqk8sRw0Lp8D49e2Th1sEAeQLRcRJsZqlpiwKQPRoytz0XF4 MPAERYPKEs1KCtmXNxjHSBHxm0aEHXe3Cq3FgQHcXXerwUY4bdC4HGkUMQAQSs5bzHxV RQY7ABNewL0bP+TlFpLY9XZnanWiRRlOkPAqrgFNvqoW7Hk0kS5GRv2XQlidAvDd4LgD XgpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3tTLU+z+hEJGTIPtVlqjrWiMeWIll2MbKiG41V+0WjuxWsjwcn u8usirquYYpJWKi93AdHzgVJh2HgyO9y7nzmvoy+DMHyrLku+yMfw6c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7t5EedPegYkVKFnRb13WZKX8O0XUPO3EWcDGkIPlHz2R9FMNd7ReNBV2qwosMPP5nBuXREFBFD1QqEFkFwqdU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:db0f:b0:176:e70f:6277 with SMTP id m15-20020a170902db0f00b00176e70f6277mr8620803plx.13.1664541816920; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 05:43:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> <9BBC901E-B98E-4C0D-BEEF-2F6D56AB27A3@gmx.de> <14B0D432-15BA-42AE-9D8D-1DF7E7E50402@ieee.org> <760833.1664541518@dooku> In-Reply-To: <760833.1664541518@dooku> From: Nathan Owens Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 05:43:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b64d0c05e9e45774" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 12:43:38 -0000 --000000000000b64d0c05e9e45774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The laser mesh might be working already, see: - https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/xrvn2x/first_impressions_of_a_la= seronly_user/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/xr3ali/update_snowy_owl_helped_d= ishy_do_a_speed_test_at/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/xd9qt3/greater_availability_in_a= laska/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/wwg0nc/starlink_speed_test_in_ni= geria/ On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 5:38 AM Michael Richardson via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: > > Hmmmm=E2=80=A6.. is ground station positioning more about geographi= c topology > > or managing subscriber density? I suspect it is easier to manage > > subscriber density (and aggregate traffic) by building higher > capacity > > ground stations than by distributing ground stations. > > Until they have satellite to satellite routing, the ground stations have = to > be "near" the users that they serve. > > My understanding from this list is that's why they couldn't easily help > Tongo: it > was all just ocean "nearby" (and why they can help Ukraine) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000b64d0c05e9e45774 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 5:38 AM Michael Richardson via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Hmmmm=E2=80=A6.. is ground station positioning more abou= t geographic topology
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > or managing subscriber density? I suspect it is easier t= o manage
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > subscriber density (and aggregate traffic) by building h= igher capacity
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > ground stations than by distributing ground stations.
Until they have satellite to satellite routing, the ground stations have to=
be "near" the users that they serve.

My understanding from this list is that's why they couldn't easily = help Tongo: it
was all just ocean "nearby" (and why they can help Ukraine)



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