From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe29.google.com (mail-vs1-xe29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 161A93B29E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe29.google.com with SMTP id p7so3513050vsg.2 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 13:53:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BeaxM5N7O3TVuqM8CDJJ1c2IvKZ0zk5qNw2H4kfll78=; b=fY9KoX+8Ik500doFeYGoR38yGAdXU1vWAvOpke8200yYnfpjWEyS0qqgRqdVR2OEDG fpoFOf9dTMc7qI/Qz5CvPlVGNpZT6wUl8YYfhxkNGME0LCLjXojqInX1atDJ0kd+aNY2 O6c/EfdDgPbJb72qfsfKwnxezrTj/0mWTPa+OfEzw7yRvW63ciqjNAcoCbMpXQiYbeDi iI+WtLs8tc8sqhQq8ICGZHaO7uJaQMFSHVqkvUJ33pPD7TG8ztuUUGYifkpYlL4abWvx cY7khjXsgd0BZVgJr1Z5FGC7ehkHq2qg3wsf3AffP45elgiJTT+wa9kuXuiUb5+UY/SP kAhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BeaxM5N7O3TVuqM8CDJJ1c2IvKZ0zk5qNw2H4kfll78=; b=tvmP2j2KuCcH1plwS67WTpMo3UAj6hTv8KGE8rXSF5c3zy21ExMVRWulznbr7fA1AF J4JJan1do+x1DwKdKG78u4pa8qHVweEATHpcE50YhVIze1H1cGXZb1Y1qjle+BfrNRIY 5Nr+Gv2bRV/Xp2HpSgHlwRXxaHx/SBOUAwIabqP5g3KxmntMFKud47LIZ4Mu9btehJAQ a050gz8menCiPKGuPkzYpAmgX2Pt5hMpxL1i4xFYRJ+IMhhgAyf4ywCbv0hTWqQ9kZeA kD/2xtC5QYBgsH9zYbphUWwmfdcXi6MT/e3RLY4ioW3EJYBc9nvBrPEy+d2Yi289RmdR vrhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532kAU4NOHdrAS3lDlu0d9GAGG3HkVNZ2DfTCUvrPM3Uad2yGk5o 6BiSqUQVmKiPAJ2WUB2RdHYg/FNMA4XDLY5U/VNJSw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyzZHXzbRGrfOqkAI5ImDeloaVDA5mjmx233vbVqjtMnGIteSTWdS7wn8jSc9HQLSsbLzIqAzPp1o/Od4IAaSI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e3b1:: with SMTP id j17mr2220566vsm.80.1644702791267; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 13:53:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Nathan Owens Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 13:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: Dave Taht , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a2b1bf05d7d9351d" Subject: Re: [Starlink] saving ship 20 X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:53:12 -0000 --000000000000a2b1bf05d7d9351d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The top spot to chat about space stuff is Reddit, probably followed by the NASASpaceFlight Forums, fwiw. On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 1:49 PM David Lang wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2022, Dave Taht wrote: > > > (is there a good email list for spacex, rather than starlink stuff? > > I'm really not into twitter, reddit, etc) > > > > After watching elon musk's presentation thursday night I was struck by > > the symbolism of ship 20 behind him and wondering why the planned > > flight was to attempt a splashdown at the end. > > they need to test reentry and the heat shield. > > > https://starshipcampaign.com/starship/ship-20/ > > > > I could think of a more leapfrog-like approach where they left it in > > orbit, to analyze the effects of a longer term stay there, testing > > restarts, or vacuum welding problems on the engines, using as a > > agena-like target for rendezvous maneuvers, trying out repairing or > > replacing various parts... > > > > Do they not have enough thrust, even with an empty payload bay, to > > stay up there? > > 'space junk', the powers that be frown on putting stuff in orbit. many > shuttle > flights had the delta-v to take the external tanks to orbit, but they > deliberatly had them burn up instead. > > hopefully, once commercial stations become a thing, they will be > interested in > accumulating 2nd stages and other things that we currently are deliberatly > deorbiting. > > > Is there a dummy payload planned? I was thinking of one of bigalow's > > demo inflatable habs, and along that rathole was, why not just cut a > > hole in the side and spray in insulation... > > > > Not even sure if there is a working door... > > No door at all on ship 20-24. there is a barrel section that has a door > cut in > it, but that's it so far. > > David Lang > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000a2b1bf05d7d9351d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The top spot to chat about space stuff is Reddit, probabl= y followed by the NASASpaceFlight Forums, fwiw.=C2=A0

On Sat, Feb 12, 2= 022 at 1:49 PM David Lang <david@lang.h= m> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022, Dave Taht w= rote:

> (is there a good email list for spacex, rather than starlink stuff? > I'm really not into twitter, reddit, etc)
>
> After watching elon musk's presentation thursday night I was struc= k by
> the symbolism of ship 20 behind him and wondering why the planned
> flight was to attempt a splashdown at the end.

they need to test reentry and the heat shield.

> https://starshipcampaign.com/starship/ship-20/
>
> I could think of a more leapfrog-like approach where they left it in > orbit, to analyze the effects of a longer term stay there, testing
> restarts, or vacuum welding problems on the engines, using as a
> agena-like target for rendezvous maneuvers, trying out repairing or > replacing various parts...
>
> Do they not have enough thrust, even with an empty payload bay, to
> stay up there?

'space junk', the powers that be frown on putting stuff in orbit. m= any shuttle
flights had the delta-v to take the external tanks to orbit, but they
deliberatly had them burn up instead.

hopefully, once commercial stations become a thing, they will be interested= in
accumulating 2nd stages and other things that we currently are deliberatly =
deorbiting.

> Is there a dummy payload planned? I was thinking of one of bigalow'= ;s
> demo inflatable habs, and along that rathole was, why not just cut a > hole in the side and spray in insulation...
>
> Not even sure if there is a working door...

No door at all on ship 20-24. there is a barrel section that has a door cut= in
it, but that's it so far.

David Lang

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