[Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Jared Mauch]

I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:

This connection is not satellite
latency of 45ms is too low
Test cancelled

Kinda amusing.

	- Jared

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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Jared Mauch]

	my result if someone wants to look at it:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/68794590

	I'm about 40-50' away from the router which is outside with the
solar panels and other gear.  I'm inside and dishy is on the roof
partially obstructed but somewhat better after some light application of
the chainsaw.

	- jared


On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 06:35:25PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
> 
> I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
> 
> This connection is not satellite
> latency of 45ms is too low
> Test cancelled
> 
> Kinda amusing.
> 
> 	- Jared
> 
> (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Dick Roy]

If you have an obstructed view of the sky, it would be interesting to look
at the test results as a function of time to see if the periodic 15 minuute
latency blips you've all seen aren't replaced by a more sporadic/random set
of satellite switching times. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of
Jared Mauch
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:39 PM
To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

	my result if someone wants to look at it:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/68794590

	I'm about 40-50' away from the router which is outside with the
solar panels and other gear.  I'm inside and dishy is on the roof
partially obstructed but somewhat better after some light application of
the chainsaw.

	- jared


On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 06:35:25PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
> 
> I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
> 
> This connection is not satellite
> latency of 45ms is too low
> Test cancelled
> 
> Kinda amusing.
> 
> 	- Jared
> 
> (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
> 
> -- 
> Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
> clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only
mine.
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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Nathan Owens]

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That would be interesting to look at — To clarify, the latency blips are on
15 second intervals.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:51 PM Dick Roy <dickroy@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> If you have an obstructed view of the sky, it would be interesting to look
> at the test results as a function of time to see if the periodic 15 minuute
> latency blips you've all seen aren't replaced by a more sporadic/random set
> of satellite switching times.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf
> Of
> Jared Mauch
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:39 PM
> To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest
>
>         my result if someone wants to look at it:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/68794590
>
>         I'm about 40-50' away from the router which is outside with the
> solar panels and other gear.  I'm inside and dishy is on the roof
> partially obstructed but somewhat better after some light application of
> the chainsaw.
>
>         - jared
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 06:35:25PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
> >
> > I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
> >
> > This connection is not satellite
> > latency of 45ms is too low
> > Test cancelled
> >
> > Kinda amusing.
> >
> >       - Jared
> >
> > (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
> >
> > --
> > Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
> > clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only
> mine.
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>
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> mine.
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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Dick Roy]

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Yes of course . pardon the BFOMP ("brain fart on my part") :^(((((

 

  _____  

From: Nathan Owens [mailto:nathan@nathan.io] 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 4:12 PM
To: dickroy@alum.mit.edu
Cc: Jared Mauch; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

 

That would be interesting to look at - To clarify, the latency blips are on
15 second intervals.

 

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:51 PM Dick Roy <dickroy@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

If you have an obstructed view of the sky, it would be interesting to look
at the test results as a function of time to see if the periodic 15 minuute
latency blips you've all seen aren't replaced by a more sporadic/random set
of satellite switching times. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of
Jared Mauch
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:39 PM
To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

        my result if someone wants to look at it:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/68794590

        I'm about 40-50' away from the router which is outside with the
solar panels and other gear.  I'm inside and dishy is on the roof
partially obstructed but somewhat better after some light application of
the chainsaw.

        - jared


On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 06:35:25PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
> 
> I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
> 
> This connection is not satellite
> latency of 45ms is too low
> Test cancelled
> 
> Kinda amusing.
> 
>       - Jared
> 
> (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
> 
> -- 
> Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
> clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only
mine.
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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Jared Mauch]

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I plan to leave a raspi up here and have a way to get in and test it out remotely. We have been doing a lot of work on the solar to make sure it can run things 24x7 including the Maine winters as this is a remote area. 

Sent from my TI-99/4a

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Dick Roy <dickroy@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes of course … pardon the BFOMP (“brain fart on my part”) :^(((((
>  
> From: Nathan Owens [mailto:nathan@nathan.io] 
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 4:12 PM
> To: dickroy@alum.mit.edu
> Cc: Jared Mauch; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest
>  
> That would be interesting to look at — To clarify, the latency blips are on 15 second intervals.
>  
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:51 PM Dick Roy <dickroy@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> If you have an obstructed view of the sky, it would be interesting to look
> at the test results as a function of time to see if the periodic 15 minuute
> latency blips you've all seen aren't replaced by a more sporadic/random set
> of satellite switching times. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of
> Jared Mauch
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:39 PM
> To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest
> 
>         my result if someone wants to look at it:
> 
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/68794590
> 
>         I'm about 40-50' away from the router which is outside with the
> solar panels and other gear.  I'm inside and dishy is on the roof
> partially obstructed but somewhat better after some light application of
> the chainsaw.
> 
>         - jared
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 06:35:25PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
> > 
> > I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
> > 
> > This connection is not satellite
> > latency of 45ms is too low
> > Test cancelled
> > 
> > Kinda amusing.
> > 
> >       - Jared
> > 
> > (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
> > clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only
> mine.
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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Dave Taht]

For consistency in results I usually encourage people to just select the “cable” test.

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
> 
> This connection is not satellite
> latency of 45ms is too low
> Test cancelled
> 
> Kinda amusing.
> 
> 	- Jared
> 
> (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
> 
> -- 
> Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
> clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.
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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Dave Taht]

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> 
> 	my result if someone wants to look at it:
> 
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/68794590

This is using the starlink supplied wifi router?

If that’s the case…

*All* of your bufferbloat moved to the wifi, which under my tests peaked at over 7sec. the 2sec of latency you just experienced on that test breaks every protocol the internet has… several times over.

I am not sure if the needed AQL + fq_codel patches are working on the IPQ8014 in openwrt-rc3 right now. (most of our work shifted until recently into the mt76 based chipsets) [1]

But after we get your cerowrt (ath9k) router back up again, a test at this range ought to be a very interesting real-world comparison. [2] Again, though, we’re testing -rc3 and might well have broke something else somewhere!

[1] https://forum.openwrt.org/t/aql-and-the-ath10k-is-lovely/59002

[2] 90Mbit results for fq_codel for wifi here:
 http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/real_results/

> 	I'm about 40-50' away from the router which is outside with the
> solar panels and other gear.  I'm inside and dishy is on the roof
> partially obstructed but somewhat better after some light application of
> the chainsaw.
> 
> 	- jared
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 06:35:25PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
>> 
>> I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
>> 
>> This connection is not satellite
>> latency of 45ms is too low
>> Test cancelled
>> 
>> Kinda amusing.
>> 
>> 	- Jared
>> 
>> (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
>> clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Starlink] dslreports speedtest

[Dave Taht]

Dear Jared:

if this is a wired result (it doesn’t look like it to me but it won’t be the first time I had confirmation bias!!), well, sigh.

1) Regardless, could you take a packet capture while re-running that dslreports test and put it somewhere we can get at?

The tcp rtt stats are good to look at in wireshark.

I typically just capture via

tcpdump -i myinterface -s 128 -w whatever.cap -n

2) Please don’t use the raspi’s 4’s wifi? It has horrifically bad bufferbloat in the first place, and there have been other reported bugs involving it’s multicast implementation taking down whole networks.

3) what the wifi chip and OS was driving this test? The uplink bufferbloat has some major spikes but if you look at the detailed report that might be misleading.

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 3:38 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> 
> 	my result if someone wants to look at it:
> 
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/68794590
> 
> 	I'm about 40-50' away from the router which is outside with the
> solar panels and other gear.  I'm inside and dishy is on the roof
> partially obstructed but somewhat better after some light application of
> the chainsaw.
> 
> 	- jared
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 06:35:25PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
>> 
>> I went to go check my bufferbloat and it says:
>> 
>> This connection is not satellite
>> latency of 45ms is too low
>> Test cancelled
>> 
>> Kinda amusing.
>> 
>> 	- Jared
>> 
>> (e-mail sent over ssh via starlink)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net
>> clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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