From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x132.google.com (mail-il1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C1B43CB35 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2021 12:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-x132.google.com with SMTP id b9so8357684ilr.2 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2021 09:43:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MZgbtakSzOVIE/aI5FZjiKvcxQxzKDDG33Q6SP10inU=; b=F4E1xAzCaS0Qh2VBvpkFShEC2KrHaDMZ1r8ahAxKXorfNKRJOXG9GT85kmw/5XJrQj E7PARfzmzhlDJYTleBuTBzw4Cr3W8cF/wYBef6T2zoHZMjfbC0PVxYelv9xQ595trRFv nIGom3zRuElk70cs/OCgpN4RzIYLK2OzwZqeu15W43oz54fr0P9zhtGI9vH1+Cq2/vlm jI5kXMxkEKG7na7x9pdm5H3B7Wj4/EaZdhBmAL5c4RXBRP8+z+yf2vEaV+Q3sOl2HYWP RuyJ3uXsiFcE3fprVXKyW4wF0t5qTkiYgC98Lo11IYdeBGeWeiKqjB6MlMqhGAzzG9u6 W1Lw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MZgbtakSzOVIE/aI5FZjiKvcxQxzKDDG33Q6SP10inU=; b=IDf1zX0epl2IGpCSSpOBeiQaeYFvuadJMiNKvYPz6agiB5T309g0Kf6Uha76XSTZZe et7s3xipi6mxUBQLKTQb6ZSoqIpiptouBVbxeneEon/BUb4XuQqN/74atta1LDQ6S+NF qVNQu7SyAVcei6tx36wCccOVds3YYOu93OgNMNO32LKRzjScJQVrulDxUCazjlFy8fgQ ikuedcp5geO6BU9p8ezF/sbbyfOz0Ui+oSEGsAFoPLh83OgH6FjPsvLoP9Nthev+GZf7 tIuSovJW/FqJ6NYPwlBM5bUeC6VIBRNWo6co80dTwYs7ZwoMGe/6IeT2QkV1ADSACMv7 XGNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532mHFWlHF3sbi3LxG5OosHwhTYmcwFIFxVvjyKefhEJP9gSyO52 C1LUsvLb27tbMkG3xjQVd76ciH15PEFgfPSc5OwHMK366V/xTg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzmfApG1pOijUmKqNd9VtjXB9dv2ARzTwfsUIDrbz6xLQHVR2w2bZUJZvHGXIdwl7anS4RNm2LkwYfh/WkzZl4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:c6b:: with SMTP id f11mr7500000ilj.140.1623516182466; Sat, 12 Jun 2021 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <950B8EAF-90B9-41A6-951D-91821F591D41@teklibre.net> <01a7bed2-6f49-3d7d-eb5a-209031ee8070@gmail.com> <391A8897-5A1F-424A-9DD0-01B66824887B@teklibre.net> <31411.1623506452@dooku> In-Reply-To: From: Nathan Owens Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 09:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mike Puchol Cc: Dave Taht , Michael Richardson , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000057ee8f05c49451a0" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Microstate Accounting and the Nyquist problem X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 16:43:03 -0000 --00000000000057ee8f05c49451a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can buy a coin sized chip-scale atomic clock, so it wouldn=E2=80=99t su= rprise me. On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 9:15 AM Mike Puchol wrote: > The basis for the GPS time sync is an atomic clock on board each > satellite. I very much doubt Starlink is placing one of those in their > birds :-) > > Best, > > Mike > On Jun 12, 2021, 16:00 +0200, Michael Richardson , > wrote: > > > Dave Taht wrote: > > It=E2=80=99s ironic that the device has to have gps in it, and thus shoul= d be > able to provide perfect time to clients directly behind it, isn=E2=80=99t= . > > > Couldn't starlink satellites *also* provide a GPS reference? > They are lower and way more of them... > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --00000000000057ee8f05c49451a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can buy a coin sized chip-scale atomic clock, so it w= ouldn=E2=80=99t surprise me.=C2=A0

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 9:15 AM Mike= Puchol <mike@starlink.sx> wr= ote:
The basis for the GPS time sync is an atomic clock on boa= rd each satellite. I very much doubt Starlink is placing one of those in th= eir birds :-)

Best,

Mike
On Jun 12, 2021, 16:00 +0200, Michael Ric= hardson <mcr@sande= lman.ca>, wrote:

Dave Taht <davet= @teklibre.net> wrote:
It=E2=80=99s ironic that the device has to have g= ps in it, and thus should be
able to provide perfect time to clients directly behind it, isn=E2=80=99t.<= br>

Couldn't starlink satellites *also* provide a GPS reference?
They are lower and way more of them...

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