From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E82F3B2A4 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 17:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-40d2e5e8d1dso2184145e9.0 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 14:21:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1703110914; x=1703715714; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=FsgKfqgj2T7hKtQsT6RM9GhOVMT5xhrm2bA2UEKYgR8=; b=HnoJQvPgo63kHZvjvk+BFRMyRTiDokb0Tad79wFIOpe18FrZqOXaNEDPJ1d2GDCOww FhHwwg7fnQpdatHNsKAeLT0skjDOaDtgWEphxVXlL3GDoXboH/uqsNIKd5ZXAQOSNXZf KP1SSO1R6LQ1JuwrO1aJRVycoGbmg1q7d5OrC+97r/H6/ly5p/Kd3SvmP/39eBEa312E mP0vQaX3xU5b9QCf9xRCHLLiT1RjsoessUfjtEpO6Mb0ni7ZX3UqDFOXXdJ9+7FNSfQP NDWGvS8d/fNFsq90p9Eu2WCorzWVvF+kB56wfReOsgAnlIo0/o7X/uA299q6VS7GhcQk ZtXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703110914; x=1703715714; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=FsgKfqgj2T7hKtQsT6RM9GhOVMT5xhrm2bA2UEKYgR8=; b=XylxuMf40jCLISvDMNmx/0Nxdf96HIS41EB2fzW47ABlqvmdrGw/x+19RR0YNRO6/v q6lyoDn5tShAwAYuzDnbHdXIYr/4nG/o5276VPQkWiA5OT/cCe4U3ThLTiVx4YXnSH9M R+/UGNEJvgL281Va2bLM4r8mg2lh17cvIPkCT3dyWc44OF7n+DmXiICJwg7t+vWr2Wai W9kKqSstSTja2QfSeKgVY/U3bzs0NYnGLvkvZkUVWy7M8g4VfQu9K+Tnh0TY4NXnDOby SneyqYsQBwg4YeoIvF39EXB7AYrPn6qPgGlHRKpVv4rEkS6MJyrogg7X04oIAYX/cBpM PqxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz/iwWkr66r14YmLFyRzL5co76f6vBd3LDws3dppeTDyDlyJLnA ZSINRKoyrTP/a1j/TfiDbGrDXA8o5BuB3+V/ocA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEbwi9XkeiNPmMWVZOnLc3cyPMNTUHtoChdPkih+UskKvHu1SMC/PtMTXr41Q9nfW8fGv2STRywTknXHPvEkW0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:5247:b0:40c:53c2:d7ec with SMTP id fc7-20020a05600c524700b0040c53c2d7ecmr128232wmb.97.1703110913650; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: joe@hamelin.us From: Joe Hamelin Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 14:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: To: Frantisek Borsik Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000057545060cf86917" Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Amazon=E2=80=99s_Effort_to_Challenge_?= =?utf-8?q?Musk=E2=80=99s_Starlink_Internet_Business?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 22:21:55 -0000 --000000000000057545060cf86917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a "systems engineer" working for a global aerospace company with multiple facilities, I think a lot of this is so Amazon can get rid of having to deal with local network carriers. Even with our 100 or so locations not a week goes by that there isn't some connection issue caused by an external vendor. This chews up a lot of time and money. Upgrades take forever and contracts are hard to get out of. I can't imagine what it's like at Amazon these days. I used to be a senior network engineer at Amazon back 23 years ago (I still cry myself to sleep for not vesting those 9000 shares) and even then we spent a lot of time and effort on this issue. It will be so much simpler for Amazon to have their own LEO network for all their facilities. Kuiper is mainly for internal use, then they'll sell the excess, just like they did with AWS and S3. On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:21=E2=80=AFAM Frantisek Borsik via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > https://archive.ph/ZaETA#selection-4555.0-4555.69 > > Paywalled: > > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-12-18/amazon-s-project-kuipe= r-to-challenge-elon-musk-s-starlink-satellite-internet > > > All the best, > > Frank > > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik > > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 > > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 > > Skype: casioa5302ca > > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --=20 -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474 --000000000000057545060cf86917 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a "systems engineer" working for a global aer= ospace company with multiple facilities, I think a lot of this is so Amazon= can get rid of having to deal with local network carriers.=C2=A0 Even with= our 100 or so locations not a week goes by that there isn't some conne= ction issue caused by an external vendor.=C2=A0 This chews up a lot of time= and money.=C2=A0 Upgrades take forever and contracts are hard to get out o= f.=C2=A0 I can't imagine what it's like at Amazon these days.=C2=A0= I used to be a senior network engineer at Amazon back 23 years ago (I stil= l cry myself to sleep for not vesting those 9000 shares) and even then we s= pent a lot of time and effort on this issue.=C2=A0 It will be so much simpl= er for Amazon to have their own LEO network for all their facilities.=C2=A0= Kuiper is mainly for internal use, then they'll sell the excess, just = like they did with AWS and S3.=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:21=E2= =80=AFAM Frantisek Borsik via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:


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