Re: [Starlink] Info on IP country ranges

[Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com>]

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Sorry, you're right, I got that wrong. Was going from memory.

Checking the Firewalla, it's a /64 on both the WAN (via DHCPv6) and LAN
interfaces (via prefix delegation).

Cheers,
Freddie

Typos due to smartphone keyboard.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, 12:37 a.m. Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

>
> Le 08/12/2023 à 09:30, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink a écrit :
> >
> > Le 08/12/2023 à 06:57, Freddie Cash a écrit :
> >> Dishy gets a /64
> >
> > IF Dishy gets a /64 from the starlink operator then I am afraid one
> > cant make subnets in home, because each other subnet needs a distinct
> > /64.
> >
> >
> >> and I've tested DHCPv6 on both my Firewalla and my USG. They do
> >> prefix delegation to distribute that as a /56 locally.
> >
> > I am afraid it is not possible to make a /56 out of a /64 (the inverse
> > is true).
>
> For clarification: there could be a way to make a /56 out of a /128 out
> of that /64.  The way to do that is to do tunnelling - a third party
> router would use a tunnelling gateway outside the starlink domain.  But
> tunnelling means addition of latency.  That would not be an incentive.
>
> Alex
>
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >>
> >> No NAT required for IPv6 (incoming or outgoing) connections. And
> >> there doesn't appear to be any restrictions on IPv6 traffic.
> >>
> >> This is with the round Dishy.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Freddie
> >>
> >> Typos due to smartphone keyboard.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023, 3:54 a.m. Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink
> >> <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     Le 04/12/2023 à 19:17, J Pan via Starlink a écrit :
> >>     > yes, starlink does respond to its customers' complaints, although
> >>     > sometimes slowly. its ipv4 address acquisition is scattered
> >>     around as
> >>     > a latecomer to the isp world, and as a global local isp, it's more
> >>     > troublesome. ip packets have to be tunneled back to its home pop
> >>     where
> >>     > nat and other functions happen, sometimes around the world,
> >>     causing a
> >>     > much higher minimum rtt fluctuation in 15-second handover
> >>     > intervals---bad for network protocols and applications. ipv6
> >> can do
> >>     > better but currently follows the same route as ipv4---an
> >>     incentive to
> >>     > promote ipv6 ;-)
> >>
> >>     Excellent incentive!
> >>
> >>     It would be good to know whether the dishy router obtains a /56 or
> >>     a /64
> >>     prefix from the starlink ISP.  That is easy to find out by just
> >>     looking
> >>     at the packets.  This would tell whether a NAT can be avoided at
> >>     home,
> >>     and hence more apps made possible.
> >>
> >>     IT would also be good to  know whether the claimed IPv6 access on
> >>     dishy
> >>     is via a tunnel (IPv6 in IPv6, or IPv6 in IPv4) or it is 'native'
> >> (no
> >>     tunnel).  That will tell many things about additional latency that
> >>     might
> >>     be brought in by IPv6.  (we'd want less latency, not more).
> >>
> >>     After that, one can look more at promoting IPv6.  Otherwise, IPv6
> >>     might
> >>     still look as a hurdle, an obstacle, additional work that is too
> >>     little
> >>     necessary, or might even be worse than IPv4.
> >>
> >>     Alex
> >>
> >>     > --
> >>     > J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA,
> >>     Web.UVic.CA/~pan <http://Web.UVic.CA/~pan>
> >>     >
> >>     > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 4:04 AM Noel Butler
> >>     <noel.butler@ausics.net> wrote:
> >>     >> Thanks, it seems they are trying it on then :)
> >>     >>
> >>     >> On 04/12/2023 10:44, J Pan wrote:
> >>     >>
> >>     >> starlink advertises its customer ip address location at
> >>     >> http://geoip.starlinkisp.net (not always updated but good
> >> enough in
> >>     >> most cases and traceroute can confirm to some extent as well)
> >>     >> --
> >>     >> J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA,
> >>     Web.UVic.CA/~pan <http://Web.UVic.CA/~pan>
> >>     >>
> >>     >> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:15 PM Noel Butler via Starlink
> >>     >> <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >>     >>
> >>     >>
> >>     >> I run an open access usenet server, but only for those within
> >>     my CC, so access is by IP based on our CC allocations from APNIC.
> >>     >>
> >>     >> Because IPv4 exhaustion this changes sometimes with buying
> >>     allocations from other regions, and if they get denied access I
> >>     encourage them to let us know so we can keep ACL's updated, I've
> >>     had a request from a starlink user who claims they are here, but
> >>     traceroute shows them in .DE
> >>     >>
> >>     >> tracing some 217.foo.ad.dr
> >>     >>
> >>     >> ...
> >>     >> 9 ae-6.r21.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net
> >>     <http://ae-6.r21.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net> (129.250.3.183)
> >>     290.223 ms 290.180 ms ae-1.r20.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net
> >>     <http://ae-1.r20.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net> (129.250.7.35)
> >> 280.523 ms
> >>     >> 10 ae-1.a03.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net
> >>     <http://ae-1.a03.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net> (129.250.3.152)
> >>     290.109 ms 289.667 ms 292.864 ms
> >>     >> 11 ae-0.spacex.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net
> >>     <http://ae-0.spacex.frnkge13.de.bb.gin.ntt.net> (213.198.72.19)
> >>     279.611 ms 278.840 ms 279.592 ms
> >>     >> 12 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.189) 280.127 ms
> >>     278.506 ms 284.265 ms
> >>     >> 13 undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.209) 284.198 ms
> >>     undefined.hostname.localhost (206.224.65.201) 274.663 ms 273.073 ms
> >>     >> 14 * * *
> >>     >>
> >>     >>
> >>     >> As it is our policy to not collect any user info or issue
> >>     user/pass's and  only allow access by IP, I'm hoping someone here
> >>     knows if they are full of it, or does starlink really assign
> >>     addresses from anywhere? That one hardly makes sense for user
> >>     experience, or maybe starlink has so few users in this country
> >>     they haven't bothered changing anything yet?
> >>     >>
> >>     >> --
> >>     >>
> >>     >> Regards,
> >>     >> Noel Butler
> >>     >>
> >>     >>
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> >>     >>
> >>     >> Regards,
> >>     >> Noel Butler
> >>     >>
> >>     >>
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