From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x229.google.com (mail-lj1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 390D23B29E for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x229.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2b734aea34aso5775951fa.0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 23:33:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1689834816; x=1690439616; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BBY+zt5bS/rBkC+uk5CmeF/upGM3vzW96RlO8OHq1uI=; b=Rh/7wN+QXKPXGwzGVSx2RPZbceJHQf01YxMSuwGtMG/6sWYpRyPS50YSToZ5+IixJ3 xOZCmNXSnEBIc9zJ6DIh7srTs07wQQgxsZF2xpKIK2b7yJHUUxaXQSaAqgwfa/lD62Zp 4zHoRH0INf08oGumNj1meExiBSQ8d6P2yWQYK4acWeq0DYkS/Q5IlGQtn+QTHIv3zMjN Tx/4e70gILGcwpoE0p/8r9/QldlVB/H0EvJ00HMPYaioCPHmI8R/J+wICAQus4TWieOV 0NjV1N4sJivP9MnfuOC6tdJm1o7jK8nPWPFU9BPjlMW6wBOBhYfGhul+t/3fDoJJeNXn n0Aw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689834816; x=1690439616; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=BBY+zt5bS/rBkC+uk5CmeF/upGM3vzW96RlO8OHq1uI=; b=Ouf89bFETJ+spJsX9s+myTHRBq10hQhdoxsMxDULyWV5AfSSqSykyMGHNmHNLZJKdd g4eBcpHawBNchPylr7iRsSSUmvIeLaVD1sMBNY5/xMWkRAt6cuqnFOUkjPRzvW47hJha y7W7ucwSDpqN7BlcqVDib5K2kOK16wl+UkmnZOl5S/xGd0qbQ3I0j9FjSKV5ruLwISOP XiO2Fpa5P11a22jGCazCvQdV9oWP124icCzYAG6U8p0cu3Dq91qNu3Q79YUAp3kEnCXD NRXZlrAiU423+e2TQJ4ebIgUHYaoMdMbzBSjlkc33wZibGVoC1+/MSWZu9m13kezLIbo 8FDg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLY81m7gqB0LmgM5QIDzOKyMRzWvWsW5RHewzrRnIYf2NSn9mw6O 8JAyYuflvw/+j4/L0I3gzHi4X9Et4PSr4crHbxE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlGjCsxXrqcm4QjYwpbpPH2wfVAZylrtrYoVq75pvVUA3mbQApNvZuVaU9CQ+3UZDLYQCiQFxHgSJ2nAHYtILnU= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9cc7:0:b0:2b6:fa54:cec1 with SMTP id g7-20020a2e9cc7000000b002b6fa54cec1mr1452378ljj.48.1689834815433; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 23:33:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Loganaden Velvindron Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 10:33:23 +0400 Message-ID: To: Hayden Simon Cc: "George C. G. Barbosa" , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e731d30600e5539d" Subject: Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:33:37 -0000 --000000000000e731d30600e5539d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 09:16, Hayden Simon wrote: > How do you apply a statement like that to the middle east? 20million > people in Cairo / Giza; 110million (I think?) total in Egypt. Fuel is > NZ$0.50c/litre; cars freaking everywhere running all day long. Average > salaries are very low. How would they afford the transition away from > fossil fuels? You could extend that same question to any developing econo= my. > > We're never going to be able to make a useful dent in emissions until we > address the developing world. > > I come from a developing country. Our government is giving tax breaks on hybrid and EVs on import. I agree that there is more we can do ... > > HAYDEN SIMON > UBER GROUP LIMITED > MANAGING DIRECTOR > > > E: h@uber.nz > M: 021 0707 014 <021%200707%20014> > W: www.uber.nz > 53 PORT ROAD | PO BOX 5083 | WHANGAREI | NEW ZEALAND > > -----Original Message----- > From: Starlink On Behalf Of > Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 5:06 PM > To: George C. G. Barbosa > Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink > Subject: Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering... > > Switching to nuclear energy could be an option. We can all learn from > France's experience. I agree that We should stop pumping CO2 in the > atmosphere. ICE cars should be phased out more aggressively. > Governments should give tax breaks to companies with work from home > policies ? > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 08:37, George C. G. Barbosa > wrote: > > > > It could be a solution to the heat problem, but then we would keep > pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, which would increase ocean acidification= , > which would disrupt the ecosystem even more. Plankton in the ocean accoun= ts > for roughly 1/2 of the oxygen we breathe. My point is: this is a hard > problem. The solution won't be simple. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 9:27 PM Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > >> This should get deployed asap. > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 02:55 Dave Taht via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> MIT has a pretty innovative proposal here: > >>> > >>> https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubbles/ > >>> -- > >>> Podcast: > >>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:705879391022711 > >>> 1937/ > >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Starlink mailing list > >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000e731d30600e5539d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 09:16, Hayden = Simon <h@uber.nz> wrote:
How do you apply = a statement like that to the middle east? 20million people in Cairo / Giza;= 110million (I think?) total in Egypt. Fuel is NZ$0.50c/litre; cars freakin= g everywhere running all day long. Average salaries are very low. How would= they afford the transition away from fossil fuels? You could extend that = same question to any developing economy.

We're never going to be= able to make a useful dent in emissions until we address the developing wo= rld.

I come from a developing country.= Our government is giving tax breaks on hybrid and EVs on import. I agree t= hat there is more we can do ...
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From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t> On Behalf Of Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink
Sent: Thursday,= July 20, 2023 5:06 PM
To: George C. G. Barbosa <gcgbarbosa@gmail.com>
Cc: D= ave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [= Starlink] geo-engineering...

Switching to nuclear energy could be an= option. We can all learn from France's experience. I agree that We sho= uld stop pumping CO2 in the atmosphere. ICE cars should be phased out more = aggressively.
Governments should give tax breaks to companies with work = from home policies ?

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 08:37, George C. G. Barb= osa <gcgbarbos= a@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It could be a solution to the he= at problem, but then we would keep pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, which w= ould increase ocean acidification, which would disrupt the ecosystem even m= ore. Plankton in the ocean accounts for roughly 1/2 of the oxygen we breath= e. My point is: this is a hard problem. The solution won't be simple.>
>
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> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 9:27 PM Loganaden Velv= indron via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>><= br>>> This should get deployed asap.
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>> On Thu, = Jul 20, 2023, 02:55 Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net&= gt; wrote:
>>>
>>> MIT has a pretty innovative prop= osal here:
>>>
>>> https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubb= les/
>>> --
>>> Podcast:
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:705= 879391022711
>>> 1937/
>>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, = LibreQos
>>> _______________________________________________>>> Starlink mailing list
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>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink=
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