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G. Barbosa" , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="000000000000e26ce20600e5e293" Subject: Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 07:13:36 -0000 --000000000000e26ce20600e5e293 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e26cda0600e5e292" --000000000000e26cda0600e5e292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 10:56, Hayden Simon wrote: > Woosh, the issues there must be significant. 1.2million people! I expect > you=E2=80=99d import all your fuel? How is electricity generated there? > Yes, our fuel is imported. Coal burning is how we produce energy. There is a plan to become net zero. However, it's clear that it needs to happen sooner. I think that nuclear power is an option. > > > HAYDEN SIMON > > UBER GROUP LIMITED > > MANAGING DIRECTOR > > > > > > *E:* h@uber.nz > > *M:* 021 0707 014 <021%200707%20014> > > *W:* www.uber.nz > > 53 PORT ROAD | PO BOX 5083 | WHANGAREI | NEW ZEALAND > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Loganaden Velvindron > *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2023 6:53 PM > *To:* Hayden Simon > *Cc:* George C. G. Barbosa ; Dave Taht via Starlink > > *Subject:* Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering... > > > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 10:45, Hayden Simon wrote: > > Snap. Does the context of your developing country match that of my exampl= e > (Egypt?) I can=E2=80=99t see them doing anything at scale; they simply do= n=E2=80=99t have > the money/political motivation. > > Yes. We have similar issues in Mauritius. We are also a small country. We > have too many ICE cars on the road. However, we saw an increase in > hybrid/EV purchases in 2022 and the number is growing for 2023. I'm not a > Nissan fan, but the Nissan Leaf is the most affordable one. > > > > > > HAYDEN SIMON > > UBER GROUP LIMITED > > MANAGING DIRECTOR > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > *E:* h@uber.nz > > *M:* 021 0707 014 <021%200707%20014> > > *W:* www.uber.nz > > 53 PORT ROAD | PO BOX 5083 | WHANGAREI | NEW ZEALAND > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Loganaden Velvindron > *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2023 6:33 PM > *To:* Hayden Simon > *Cc:* George C. G. Barbosa ; Dave Taht via Starlink > > *Subject:* Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering... > > > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 09:16, Hayden Simon wrote: > > How do you apply a statement like that to the middle east? 20million > people in Cairo / Giza; 110million (I think?) total in Egypt. Fuel is > NZ$0.50c/litre; cars freaking everywhere running all day long. Average > salaries are very low. How would they afford the transition away from > fossil fuels? You could extend that same question to any developing econo= my. > > We're never going to be able to make a useful dent in emissions until we > address the developing world. > > I come from a developing country. Our government is giving tax breaks on > hybrid and EVs on import. I agree that there is more we can do ... > > > > > > HAYDEN SIMON > > UBER GROUP LIMITED > > MANAGING DIRECTOR > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > *E:* h@uber.nz > > *M:* 021 0707 014 <021%200707%20014> > > *W:* www.uber.nz > > 53 PORT ROAD | PO BOX 5083 | WHANGAREI | NEW ZEALAND > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Starlink On Behalf Of > Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 5:06 PM > To: George C. G. Barbosa > Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink > Subject: Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering... > > Switching to nuclear energy could be an option. We can all learn from > France's experience. I agree that We should stop pumping CO2 in the > atmosphere. ICE cars should be phased out more aggressively. > Governments should give tax breaks to companies with work from home > policies ? > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 08:37, George C. G. Barbosa > wrote: > > > > It could be a solution to the heat problem, but then we would keep > pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, which would increase ocean acidification= , > which would disrupt the ecosystem even more. Plankton in the ocean accoun= ts > for roughly 1/2 of the oxygen we breathe. My point is: this is a hard > problem. The solution won't be simple. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 9:27 PM Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > >> This should get deployed asap. > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 02:55 Dave Taht via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> MIT has a pretty innovative proposal here: > >>> > >>> https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubbles/ > >>> -- > >>> Podcast: > >>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:705879391022711 > >>> 1937/ > >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Starlink mailing list > >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Starlink mailing list > >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > --000000000000e26cda0600e5e292 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 10:45, Hayden Simon <h@uber.nz> wrote:

Snap. Does the context of your developing country ma= tch that of my example (Egypt?) I can=E2=80=99t see them doing anything at = scale; they simply don=E2=80=99t have the money/political motivation.

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From: Loganaden Velvindron <loganaden@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 6:33 PM
To: Hayden Simon <= h@uber.nz>
Cc: George C. G. Barbosa <gcgbarbosa@gmail.com>; Dave Taht via Starlink <= ;starli= nk@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering...

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On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 09:16, Hayden Simon <h@uber.nz> wrote:

How do you apply a stat= ement like that to the middle east? 20million people in Cairo / Giza; 110mi= llion (I think?) total in Egypt. Fuel is NZ$0.50c/litre; cars freaking ever= ywhere running all day long. Average salaries are very low. How would they afford the tra= nsition away from fossil fuels? You could extend that same question to any = developing economy.

We're never going to be able to make a useful dent in emissions until w= e address the developing world.

I come from a developing country. Our government is = giving tax breaks on hybrid and EVs on import. I agree that there is more w= e can do ...

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From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behal= f Of Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 5:06 PM
To: George C. G. Barbosa <gcgbarbosa@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering...

Switching to nuclear energy could be an option. We can all learn from Franc= e's experience. I agree that We should stop pumping CO2 in the atmosphe= re. ICE cars should be phased out more aggressively.
Governments should give tax breaks to companies with work from home policie= s ?

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 08:37, George C. G. Barbosa <gcgbarbosa@gmail.com> wrote: >
> It could be a solution to the heat problem, but then we would keep pum= ping CO2 into the atmosphere, which would increase ocean acidification, whi= ch would disrupt the ecosystem even more. Plankton in the ocean accounts fo= r roughly 1/2 of the oxygen we breathe. My point is: this is a hard problem. The solution won't be simple.
>
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> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 9:27 PM Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink <starlink@= lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> This should get deployed asap.
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>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 02:55 Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.buf= ferbloat.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> MIT has a pretty innovative proposal here:
>>>
>>> https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubbles/
>>> --
>>> Podcast:
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:705879391022711 >>> 1937/
>>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Starlink mailing list
>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
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