From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ot1-x334.google.com (mail-ot1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0F383CB39 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 17:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x334.google.com with SMTP id f20-20020a9d6c140000b02904bb9756274cso3504956otq.6 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 14:00:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IZY7cL1HTAvTssgDaOdXMuz8eCgZp3tK2PTiQ8snS+c=; b=oUHZh3GV9FEhzn5EgWLO5FwpBt/waHOzP7P9cp55ebtfYDmnG5Ci2fpOB7mEqdXvZK MZV8kEm1oIxbp7uwY1U6xv+VAwoQXnYsXm38/HBSCs6rhuRljDY4rZyIP6733/NBk3/Y YxesGyF1WNk7cATlhQerIk3++t0V3NaGzLH8pW8Mt0eOzTJqzggD3JQrdFYCZiO7n68h CPmyApHCe1tMMs1ncgiaM0/SLxP0Vz0GOy58+8azVRrmHynHbkoBgf6MCgWQW8nb2WIl rhXHkgRqC+nzQLainL2ELPS9JTrGMqKkwriQf5rCtWnblj/+5puwn3yFgy3Ylzjczkp8 /Aqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IZY7cL1HTAvTssgDaOdXMuz8eCgZp3tK2PTiQ8snS+c=; b=kAzollFtnbe82FOT2GPDBoF+p3FYLX+xZ6DJlZpdBYr1NOxje526GcKFKudxoNgL8w mMc14eqgS2ir2k9RdvMmw/jF/B5M5Vyw3ciofAuP33Qxn4SGqG8iKIdcxbCAOgFcv4v6 z0qvxhYZujaotMBTUe+xWSjkZLJ+734baIRyTbxcFQ1/cu7lEfzBB8l8TMuIN5dDjJL5 gYVMzNfwYSVp3rCA/rvNhAlbWS3Ju7diNTz0+F3/Cn0KI1p24HFHkn3W5kjE42URbDAh 9zTMH2RCln9i8dPnTE6GoEvliIY3rxqYJE3nb3T5FvbksehtBNvDniipZZfYt42e+JVT OPRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5305XAtqZZ4U+AMEGfhcTV45htqFQbNdD5T5BdbXWW35AptTDiMM GGAI8n6Krz8/19NlRPcHr9NAA7+nWR3xMCP+737bG4tmmOw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzSI7M1Vo4KH7Ey+D7GLQC8AvTPi4vOdkH4dSlRWD2BtGzd1T8fYCPtpYBpnqAyvAGGCnPt1QRmEuIu7Iq5JhE= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:174:: with SMTP id 107mr1295738otu.179.1627506056836; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 14:00:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Andrew Crane Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 17:00:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000633c5d05c835486d" Subject: Re: [Starlink] congestion control info off the datapath X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 21:00:58 -0000 --000000000000633c5d05c835486d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" < Please? newer folk here, please briefly introduce yourselves and your < interests in starlink's stuff? My story. I'd moved from a suburban area, which had decent DOCSIS service, to a remote rural area, where the choice was between woeful DSL service... or nothing. After a few weeks of pain, neighbors alerted me to a home router that supposedly made life bearable. I'd encountered a lot of worthless IT snake oil in my job & was skeptical. But I did some reading about bufferbloat, threw skepticism to the wind, and bought the router. It tuned itself to the connection and ended up making things workable. I'm not a network engineer - my specialty was DNS/DHCP/IP address management - but nerded out around the subject of latency under load. I ended up putting together an OpenWRT-based home router. When Starlink became operational, bufferbloat was the first thing I was curious about, especially given the "back-to-first-principles" engineering that Starlink aspires to. ~ Andrew > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000633c5d05c835486d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

< Please? n= ewer folk here, please briefly introduce yourselves and your
< inte= rests in starlink's stuff?

M= y story.
I'd moved from a suburban area, which ha= d decent DOCSIS service, to a remote rural area, where the choice was betwe= en woeful DSL service... or nothing.
After a few week= s of pain, neighbors alerted me to a home router that supposedly made life = bearable. I'd encountered a lot of worthless IT snake oil in my job &am= p; was skeptical. But I did some reading about bufferbloat, threw skepticis= m to the wind, and bought the router.
It tuned itself= to the connection and ended up making things workable. I'm not a netwo= rk engineer=C2=A0 - my specialty=C2=A0was DNS/DHCP/IP address management - = but nerded=C2=A0out around the subject of latency under load. I ended up pu= tting together an OpenWRT-based home router.
When Sta= rlink became operational, bufferbloat was the first thing I was curious abo= ut, especially given the "back-to-first-principles" engineering t= hat Starlink aspires to.=C2=A0
~ Andrew


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