From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1030.google.com (mail-pj1-x1030.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1030]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 001233CB38 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pj1-x1030.google.com with SMTP id o10-20020a17090a3d4a00b001a6555878a8so3546654pjf.1 for ; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:07:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=F8uNfXzKOXbWAk2AGgt7K6A54nq3Mo9Y5CZmXeuemqA=; b=hTXuJ38I0NaxXNgWZ3k8QWyi1ECrDot89x1BJ1Tc8vx01SSsfHlq2F/jDB61sAW7/1 HWQjvkvr+MCTlEHT70Qn+8vSqxLc3Pske3HNAn4pOvYbgxHeEL8xOxywzIvSA80BB1TC 315trwhO0uqeavR5JPfa+bWj9A6zT0qp+2FIv+7eGEqOJpb1hgW3Att9o3e/Mm9h6/tB aLwIYS6rhoGnBytCVWT185REFjIMKxrJXQuW9YloiYoTczf1zP0C/VsDUWboqrlWlTrF xd/hs2RCW0+dJMLHn6xg4A6P+KZYMvRV7WDidl4UJKa+7poo8FHkR792T4xV0iarBQfR Jfsg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=F8uNfXzKOXbWAk2AGgt7K6A54nq3Mo9Y5CZmXeuemqA=; b=aUhL1U52iK6f6vQszp4KWCCxUfDl4Pb42BaqA0bjF2HduxZOVox6VKq8enugwtHiRA QbEAQOqiaiJvsPzkAN0M0a1c/LRl2NtrHnNQevlZCrLJ/O4t7Div8Ise6DJDflHBAOZB SOCQ9hhYg2G0MQEaxWbj4kzrvrZDg7DwKazpD4VXvAHuIHtsn3KiwKA6Z5e998uqYeLj Gbd/R97B84NeE6pDWjKzwdWe4tUs4tmhNQR2jaYegObHhftvFp/bF0nIKJkazoCNdz+R tNzzFUxPNmkG184bQmRM5/DGoUEy5W69PX8Z76PyXqkDRK/LM+vvBJixR6BkU2JLw3DB gSmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531qqp380+71zNx/7bVLsf+bSFsqiFQ6Xe8uD19xauW2lzWEIjfV e51IrSWY1PnZ5FYW0YjBM66uoKldU30= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzyB6XcwlmCAVbd6ToI2hZA9+Id/tirw2oVJVJrxgd+oPK3Xlj0SmSS0OPCq29cbdghx3WRdQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c58e:: with SMTP id l14mr21724143pjt.214.1636124855989; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (97-113-20-154.tukw.qwest.net. [97.113.20.154]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x14sm6520008pjl.27.2021.11.05.08.07.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) From: Spencer Sevilla In-Reply-To: <31604.1636124427@localhost> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 08:07:34 -0700 Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7907F9D1-9511-4254-BD8F-701888EB6778@onholyground.com> <4ea38008-0e62-1cad-165a-a8aad232ebd6@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <31604.1636124427@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Subject: Re: [Starlink] data sovereignty X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:07:37 -0000 For what it=E2=80=99s worth, space is usually defined as either 50 miles = (80km) or 62 miles (100 km) depending on the agency in question. I = couldn=E2=80=99t find specific resources on how high a country=E2=80=99s = =E2=80=9Cairspace=E2=80=9D goes, but I do believe that =E2=80=9Cspace" = is considered international territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law Spencer > On Nov 5, 2021, at 08:00, Michael Richardson wrote: >=20 >=20 > A number of Canadian IXs have pondered whether we could get Starlink = to peer > via air. I don't think this will be possible until they move to = IPv6 > so that they can do some geographic allocation of end-station = addresses. >=20 > A question that was asked was: what is the altitude at which the data = has > left the country... Heinlein's _Man Who Sold the Moon_ is not true. > Countries have a limited altitude in which to claim soveignty. But, = what is > it? (Would Alphabet Loon be within it? I suspect so) >=20 > Will this argument about data sovereignty be used by national = governments (or > rather, the associated incumbent telco-ISPs) to forbid spending public = money > on Starlink? >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink