From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.de header.i=moeller0@gmx.de; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmx.de policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 555B99892D6 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2025 19:18:22 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1763576297; x=1764181097; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=vngcUXPQryIOhEhcc6vWg9ksV/En+4e5rnXYRh48+R0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=oK/9MIe3/ExrVhu9Ht8qawUTOSTNVobB4TuP0VoSF3OAsOqMWnnCLkBr2zUcAv6q fd9QwIXlTdawq+BWPh0YyDJjInpRqqx72JNdRnm5ByREzTLsOKVYdpwQ/vyjQwoAe 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administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: How Starcloud Is Bringing Data Centers to Outer Space | NVIDIA Blog List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On 19. Nov 2025, at 17:09, J Pan via Starlink = wrote: >=20 > not physical space, but energy harvesting and heat dissipating might All you can do is radiate heat away, there is no real convection in = space, and vacuum is a hell of a thermal insulator. The energy collection might be favourable if you ride close to the = day/night terminus, but that means you are now (even with two clusters = one on the morning and one on the evening side) on average a eighth of = the earth diameter away from any given point on the earth, aka from the = consumers of the processed data. IMHO this is a nice engineering challenge, but lacks real utility, as = you are mostly ending up solving problems you would not have if you = would build a boring data center on the surface ;) > be more favorable in space. space itself can generate enough data to > be cranked there, instead of beaming down So for all of the space agencies or the satellite intelligence crowd? Looks pretty much like a solution in search of a problem. Regards Sebastian > -- > J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, = Web.UVic.CA/~pan >=20 > On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink > wrote: >>=20 >> We may run out of space on earth to accommodate DC AI infrastructure. >>=20 >> https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/starcloud/ >>=20 >> Hesham >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net