From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x82b.google.com (mail-qt1-x82b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C34D3B29D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82b.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-4371955d27fso39122521cf.0 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:54:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=connectivitycap.com; s=google; t=1714535685; x=1715140485; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=cCZ2TPiH9yyzbcY9hc/q0QKnWLuFy7cfpwBkmUvCPdU=; b=GHviDUSIT1VVZv8ou4zF2kazDRUq4O2Fy0hH+GFOZo3USaneg68KEMADXQAoRW6xGt G+BDq4Bq2uBcM7ME4g8rvhHDZMy/dw5Hyva3C32zSwr/wEUs27JSpjXHjBtC4n2wZw+j nED7WO8OkZFooHPsHX81caoFThIURaKGr/3kj4T9Ezyd8+fA/GzRuc2bo7THUhNMDQiE VK8sO9o8sbLwDHgJMEURsBGnX7EnmwUyNrNBmuZbZy/kwLFNFaBho5qje3vxZ0fT7+RE gQSXD4hPkwtlWZpxKKUma8vxdXIEn6sjcTD3tqf+B+KiEjE4MLO+hk3gw85BtXCDi8dB IKVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1714535685; x=1715140485; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=cCZ2TPiH9yyzbcY9hc/q0QKnWLuFy7cfpwBkmUvCPdU=; b=UBtuft2UHRVInXWAioFM1OQ7eneefzEg3XGqWin5HPdV2dQbFZO0bQeCCXbcn6Sn4n F/iOMUltByOt/mk35EaguByepo90LyFmxLu+IYl3ka/CKPhgI39H39K0II8ZhTVVrawM Hw0pE6HrmhtW6oDNzy2ctrIk00ONWrIT5+zsqx54931zqJMUEmsnd7fxeYkJPhpevWXP BE/8WJPUwjiLkPAPray1tbRKhej4HkFYQxhcAc3KnnhFUKh/KWABlvcOS8pP5hov9no/ C6T/7gGtNv9vEfuejqA3kTm3XARXRTj2DanS7kEKD3446Zu1saJHYH2iEr5f9/LwYZ6O rzEQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXfSvx01vnfol9ILub1TdQQhkUt+L9+RWig4/517wIkgZfNSWnr1/dlZXfX7MvR0fnvX5NKUzCR4HarLKZR/ZXMVwuVF2R/DNLo3jDiQoY= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy1NDX7vYtmr+ZBeaRUWLBd3yv+k6XsN22Xgga4d5TtPMtitblg delK8q6AlSsjIhbG/uTX/pMdnnD/lKaE339YD+F2UrUvs2gK0+Vs/0dKPrPHLpnK9aAlshdtnmj Bi/Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHMyxnSeRT3ZjYMod6HeHOKcwmmgeiuM1rMM5zU6+uWJYafEds4OK2YSptum+pBQ6/S+GbkAQ== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5b87:0:b0:6a0:5f8f:d753 with SMTP id 7-20020ad45b87000000b006a05f8fd753mr1650125qvp.49.1714535684624; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2607:fb91:1c69:9535:8895:9e87:6d43:e70b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l6-20020ad44446000000b006a0e4a1e58bsm939388qvt.31.2024.04.30.20.54.44 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: James Forster Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:54:33 -0400 Message-Id: References: Cc: David Lang , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: To: Colin_Higbie X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21E236) Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?It=CA=BCs_the_Latency=2C_FCC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2024 03:54:45 -0000 I agree.=20 > There is no conflict between the need to support 25Mbps Internet and this g= roup's goal of reducing latency at load. On the other hand, you lose credibi= lity and won't be taken seriously by your target audience if you disregard t= he importance of the need for every ISP rolling out a new plan to at least o= ffer a 25Mbps bandwidth level of support.