From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink deplyment in Ukraine
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 18:49:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <EB56354A-0CA1-4E86-A4F5-390B45559EB3@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c7d20d3b-1e90-2524-e192-eb047a3fcd2a@candelatech.com>
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UUCP?
On 7 March 2022 18:34:11 CET, Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> wrote:
>On 3/6/22 1:10 PM, David P. Reed wrote:
>> Very interesting info about where current ground stations are, but of course Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv are close to some adjacent countries that already have Starlink
>> ground stations (didn't know they were up and running in Turkey).
>>
>> Regarding ground-level repeating, the radio horizon is very short except in VHF where you can in principle bounce off the ionosphere. Don't join the Flat Earth
>> Society, the earth isn't very flat at all.
>>
>> (yes, some small bands actually bend around the earth in the Troposhere, but bitrates feasible in that bandwidth is very poor. Maybe voice grade)
>>
>> Microwave multihop links require LOS and except from mountaintop to mountaintop, it's hard to maintain them cheaply - Wall St uses microwaves between NYC and
>> Chicago, because the latency is much lower number of microseconds than direct fiber would be (little known fact about the difference between speed of light in
>> glass vs. air).
>>
>> These technologies are "off the shelf" for fixed wireless deployment, but if I were trying to maintain or build a quick replacement for existing cables using
>> wireless, I suspect it would largely be too little, too late.
>
>For email, and anything else that can be stored and forwarded, you should be able to zig-zag from ground to sky to ground,
>but it would take specialized software setup on the ground intermediate hops (something like bittorrent and/or an email
>proxy I guess), and it would require the sky to be able to hair-pin ground-to-ground. So, a bit of work, but hopefully is
>software-only fix.
>
>For instance: Ground-east-1 <-> sky-to-the-west <-> ground-middle <-> sky-more-to-the-west <-> internet-ground-station-to-the-west
>And maybe it is not directly due west due to orbital mechanics, but I think you get the idea.
>
>Latency would be in minutes or maybe hours, but that is still a lot better than nothing.
>
>Thanks,
>Ben
>
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2022-03-06 0:39 ` David P. Reed
2022-03-06 1:02 ` David Lang
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2022-03-06 21:10 ` David P. Reed
2022-03-06 21:17 ` David Lang
2022-03-07 17:34 ` Ben Greear
2022-03-07 17:49 ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]
2022-03-06 3:01 ` Michael Richardson
2022-03-08 6:01 ` Inemesit Affia
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