From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81A483B2A4; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 03:38:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1695886683; x=1696491483; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=gfyhw+eA+h6SBrTHna4f7ewhY7+6qq8OmDcM8P46SwY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=MH5bHzDy7fI3+nQuwQyK2BhNHbcd3wyVC4gbVtu9gZ+NuCy65Bta3PAysYpLG8f2ApxT6IxbktJ c94vpT4TzB/uaFmaEH3TevGYna7lLdYpWuBVj8tYq4x6hypREovQF7iHn72m0I2/4Gea+fUBFTPYz qr/o0G86o9+J24WTc3xUbZyAFgl06tChBMbmi12CDMJHJT0JqyCk3NTdPdBTzHPlm5DvibqcXS1sS S3Oem/DHwl1z7WCsYTXL+O8cX+5EGoBLBTNuZl3i1hqCWharwp4ZMQNYc0z+5BAPf8hgCzJV2x96f PRq0QSAcumXlRDvY5t5Spm0d1VFZhNYQed7g== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MybGh-1rZCLf47n3-00z1M9; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:38:03 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:38:02 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , Jamal Hadi Salim , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <406472BC-B50D-48C6-B20E-4394EB198B6D@gmx.de> To: Gert Doering X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3/ngA3Vw0hpQ5qegyjv5AIhNILZ2hfgxkb5pLT7c8GDSQrGXNHH MuJcf+Rlmb+8Q2QaA1QpSgg6UlvIjzvi6N/SDi6eXMZewepADV9YMCZ91zT+JxvxtghyTQL 4gHJtYcZaXDRckbdErTq7/kgYWqaGD+ksyqUQgv9yLOtkt6esgK5ZHZH9B27w5PDIblEp2H nj0KAOeHbioYY+00fX7ZQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:dnTIcNaKzRo=;TrEDIPhU5NB36XGOeDko+3XMDVN 8Z+2uQv8Z0V0JryZKvSgoVKNRQMyBO281CaKqvuJiVjiAySKED5vLJh4QQt+ifYfa+4gGz07f hGuBeOHf6I7ClzjxuI5yEm6WBNDCgTzONv1O7+P/96X0CkYiCCBT7aezOPfbYJPNHOCujKtRF UJUvSkgwgzcA4BjMy74AJafDKG0sJwG7XDU5eBo8Lhv5rnc5TIqI+78HgxjduUo6ieA9kBWiY DLSgWWpvS8F/g6IHJC0txUEixhdvpa67SRD5nxwKGXna8x1QBONQi4HFcJEWnPUA0J56qa+v7 jtRLjXQ0+FtsW5o4zePPcS2V86PqcfDJp08NyKjE535WjGcxb7ri/FiGc6x6/ZoUKXTmGcXpC z72/FmXwlyF807pcnfIPNIj0OJ7ht+giaDSPTMuNX/VdjRy15e9cL1CYOl2Oc/DkWPed32/Ag s11lzI1KFEZHAEup4fmSrzZBG+jVwciGeY+QdCicwWXcRQ/Df5GsXpkWnVN63nmsGnU7hdMg0 NzpTaiFci5Z2GFykAmIg+D8BfZsrPxpNq1EBaA4pKMt0LZTVdHFNAyv36Sd5DD7CQQukIYgi8 VAEw0KAF0F0r6364E47flxEmqp0vapAfp48fYRU2VcXjWCVh7/h1zFwHdlvcDeBjM8s6WpqNC sO+yVlCirmm6OZqnxmhX9Mkc/p+rs2V9Xew16yjL/bdtPTCJyirMOTJbUmsdwX4WFXfMAJTEr 0LELkNK5AJqM0533Xu5Crda7BOQ29Lmo0zy2xJ2m0hyad0KI0RjI7a8ff8h71VpaDER7UKRqC C8jOQcbibSAW5lbd3Mh0mLO0k8pw/s/RDHJfK231+4ntEs/6h4oObH2xZelLTu7YCqimMPGjG HdplF8YkibRGI2dkUtGE0F+udl7KJXGVyTdzz39u9Yf3ip/xjJElAeJ/bIl7XtRvZC0DVM+Ug Zex2q+cus3lNluVRHYvGTnu3zq8= Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:38:05 -0000 Hi Gert, > On Sep 28, 2023, at 09:33, Gert Doering wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 09:14:27AM +0200, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >> [SM] Has Vodafone started using IPv6 for their DSL-users yet*? = About the content that is an interesting question, I will try to measure = in my home network what IPv4/IPv6 traffic ration I actually see. >=20 > Many high-volume sides do offer IPv6, since years (all google infra, > youtube, facebook, etc.) - so depending on the type of end-users, you > can see well over 50% IPv6 traffic. Think "student dormitories" and > "youtube" ;-) [SM] I have some youtube-affine kifs^W erm, "users" on my = network that might push the ratio towards IPv6 then ;) > But this really depends on the nature of your traffic, as many "news > outlet" types are still missing (stern.de, spiegel.de, bild.de, ...) > (and those would be prone to SEO coaxing ;-) ). [SM] True! > What irks me quite a bit is that there's still many content offerings > that use CDNs (Akamai, Cloudflare, etc.) who can do IPv6 perfectly = fine, > you just have to check the "[X] yes, IPv6!" checkbox... so we have, > www.ard.de who are behind Akamai, but have no v6... [SM] I also seem to recall that the playstation and xbox = networks operate mostly IPv4, valve probably as well. >=20 >> [Vodafone DSL] >> *) According to = https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/203020/umfrage/anzahl-der-d= sl-kunden-von-vodafone-in-deutschland/ Vodafone Germany had around 2.5 = Million DSL customers end on 2022 this is not a lot (there are roughly = 40 Million access links in Germany) but it is also not "nothing". >=20 > I wasn't aware that Vodafone DSL is lacking in that regards - as they = have > IPv6 on their cable and mobile offerings (arguably "different = networks,=20 > before VF bought them and put the VF label on top"). But you're = right, > there is work to do. Thanks for the insight. [SM] I am sure Vodafone DSL used to have that issue, but = honestly I do not know about the current state (so maybe I should have = reasearched that first before posting), I would hope for their users = that they activated IPv6. Besten Gruss Sebastian >=20 > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > --=20 > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? >=20 > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, = Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. = Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279