From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BC8A3CBC5 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 03:49:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1678952982; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=wWds1cw6+jYzTXdvkMkea1OJBhXaHt+2YV+L0J6CiBo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=GBLGcgh6eDCVXWajYvP6yHJ6FZEmHGXnYrikSsUvBumKbF08D8hHnB7cZgJr8RGYa jnR2R2wgKO8esk6qJ/Qi3XFrkMQpuLoDqY6BIdGg1JWUHQwXFJdge/9vDxDsw5JipK vm3YXq7t/oNq6SDcO6JlwSMjtLRKzAq/XGnKgPR7qD2VlAW1In9GQD1ps3mofu1334 4BCKHk2wUTVN7EN/nLQMgE2ut2vUcqvZdfkODFDui97CGkL2rD4aaaBee+GeGP3MM9 1166fW0hJkt8Y/eNPs5buzoI6aOtsn0Sh0LV71HTr2QvNO93SzVHnaPp08G8+bjjCB 8eHomcXEZOUgg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M9Wyy-1pZR6g154G-005cHz; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 08:49:42 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.2\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 08:49:41 +0100 Cc: starlink Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <49102316-A4EC-4045-AD84-F58CFAA66A56@gmx.de> To: =?utf-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.2) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:OzomV52kzurgxFd1PI4AH2sn8BMxPi5GJWZAmopREYwi14OMAdz rFba5m6ITKIXhW2NlgivxKVmoIjxr74L2h/pCY++Ww5W39FeHABWM1u9ejSH/dl2RvLh54/ f+A97920aZRM+YQn6jaRFW8OVWyUvzeub1qInmuRa3z7JFpSLmGL/AKkHoLNAMPvVigU33N LFEsUcoiSmA/+1Soev0VQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:A6ysjNaGh4U=;+OHtv0zfCiINdyj1FXFVBLToO6I YD2O9e8tNcxIBmGyNLd46AO4FOtlL661zcUftU67x7lA/W4UCdsSP4F1nihq/PgpY/VBjzaVY DB8HekAuumY3UdNEifWZBZeKpXQ4/ApOb+D+Q9f0weeJ9WbTFZ7VDuIfBqjwyJRx2BG61iLNx G5FK1Mb9XiuqWk5xEe1D3RP79o/b/BNmOC06qEhsLPNQSnrMTUswP3OEdTZ9EcYLvi8CHc2eT bi1y7tg8taw5XYJmbCKd95NveQzvvIkTmuOYPeE24GGsWd56z2qP0AXR33kKrWPMkTUfgsEgO iznfhVcyah5PVcxU/BtZxh1hv3Cwf58ZKZIrnXLafEu54XrhCQTycR0tKCYWdw1U9qJ69lotA OHVLK7I3DVZpsvMxL6TjJ8j6aGjHfbaAuJV9gH12RDHOBRIzIjGVTCcmcNeYwe8IVTe6TB9xt +yVo+IbOCYtlN/jQEvT9U/VKcpggkYX2XaWejl47zl1ANNh8eOtp4dTc9i+jGxLUoIRiNPqfJ PYWi7naNXeI8TxFPPUX3iIIFpXE7IySNZi+yVFko63mIbeq6uYGvWrGtel15q3negFSOFuuUg Oi6NHuD+Ehd3Rq8x1PiAvwRKurF7afAr5mFIyYpCdfB0OUAzui++ov2/bmLvur7rpbW7wX/D4 oYKlv+3yfxIckSNuc5tteNORJlwjfaOFGO+C62IgyzkgHlCu6O7lat7z7csHCpmIUG0FQQ1Y4 SE29OPG08toONCsbArtacmF4MTj3THq17AOvdFMDcKIVggSfx8d5QKA3NmU5y8sMhNE5PHDCo tcdSgqjPnIvJplBFG1caoys7PO3jmFToiNMDjO1rZoTGXY8foAhkSFAg2NB1s078kxTd80Eqp xmZSnX4tOihc3WXyBfNs3xF7Kwbh40M7yrF6MZiZTJ8x8I2+sg2PRvfLAM1Jjj0b19KV56pDK 9fBY0+uqdx7s+w5YuxYVjWrPpO8= Subject: Re: [Starlink] On FiWi X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 07:49:44 -0000 > On Mar 15, 2023, at 22:19, David Fern=C3=A1ndez via Starlink = wrote: >=20 > I remember that idea of distributing Internet to houses via power > lines and the transformer issues, but there are not transformers > inside a single house, are there? It is not only transformers, but also different phases IIRC. = Conceptually, being a shared medium, it would actually be good if PLC = stopped at the per-apartment power meter ... it probably does not. >=20 > Ethernet over PLC can be an option inside a house, when walls block > Wi-Fi signal from the main router in the living room. Of course, fiber > would be better, but a couple of PLC modems is easier to get and it > works more or less (I was getting 10 Mbit/s link). Flat profile ethernet CAT6 cables are surprisingly convenient to fudge = around in a way that while not beautiful is not "an eye sore", and = easily carries 1/2.5/5/10 Gbps ethernet full duplex (no TDM no FDM)... = If you get them in white on a white wall they can be made inoffensive = with little effort. > Regards, >=20 > David >=20 > 2023-03-15 17:19 GMT+01:00, Vint Cerf : >> that did not work in a test in Silver Spring, MD because the signals = got >> mashed in the transformer. >>=20 >> v >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Starlink < >> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >>=20 >>> I still think that ethernet over powerline could make a comeback, if >>> they fixed the bloat. It was otherwise "good enough". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Starlink mailing list >>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: >> Vint Cerf >> Google, LLC >> 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor >> Reston, VA 20190 >> +1 (571) 213 1346 >>=20 >>=20 >> until further notice >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink