From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A87763B2A4 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2022 08:27:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1662121624; bh=OXAq9PJylfBTEYE+Kmtp7Wz0P/hzH/JGhitCXK1wQ8U=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=hrW04n0xZBfq/GfsTWw778U1CZg8DWyrpzgoOcKKJKn1rhbJg3wU8wQwGD6jyRoxY tG0IH8nkHMo4FxFrZ1F94eJxqnE/sPO/CN79bnp3mT1BMleOw+naim24omjdFEd+mF YDf1VyG3Y3fj2awUYhWbbzqI2c0wSsCKgu0evJkg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N2V4P-1pX1ct2YlL-013vKu; Fri, 02 Sep 2022 14:27:04 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <16193.1662062192@localhost> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 14:27:03 +0200 Cc: =?us-ascii?B?PT9VVEYtOD9RP0RhdmlkX0Zlcm49QzM9QTFuZGV6Pz0=?= , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <16193.1662062192@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YQvIxcePa279Y7cBuojJihaZKWapnfpcq9EjNES92HQOz26p00r v9Pfh/lHJnj115jcobhGwxaHVx0+iyPx1zy7/M9aCondqWc1kbQELJYM1SPTx9V6Q3UHueM K9Xjf5ysCpvBM+VtsH+0DrpE7yqoCbvg5+OHNKzHcOjgnwBYW/Y7mFLvbERLqVbN5Y/hf32 W3C/86IKy3XqmFzom45PQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:WahxDB8u44Q=:erkXYOa/MtYUam/PtWNaOL bAfsZNENpwZ/9wgf2laYDJwbHfo+Jnx9RZEPbNYqHWykABX4Ym3/U4GPELqHbpnxRNyNar3mG V34DaK8VvMGH+hOMsJ7WGQgKbBVR2X9qlWicEJWGyeNn62ulbEUesg7AfdfHbdrFDZLVXL+e1 U4RcBRG387CG7ApX0PRf28serw+vCd5PYdiPSrfXHsr899BXSHQP+j0G7VKNsF3i6RooDOqgG xVe37Su18mGd5RM9YACxEWp+oeW7BH5Nt8TUDSOOpFHk79XGZXHUjBJTHgevjRQbz9CMlPQZ4 DG0NuZHHSEVDuLVfZVGb1aBFuRrPxBdB2d2xH3nEgYB7QfS9HmDFAj66r9zM2P/fdePfxY2NO s4I5ZUZtOMND8q3+DD4xVndW8MemUzQmAsYFHqfBgskkkvlurwUP/BAo1spkrGW41EJiM86dy 4Z8CCqrDFfAyNApgKSxr1LpRjrMUPlO2pjns1pANCMXH/AhqG35i6PJ+AIs0CipnvcOOY1oE/ MNS25wCCNtGSSJERpO+Is7NFamSkfcuaXeBQaTkkwtPfzKQlBKlUJjT4oE28t47qhJDMBgkC1 hMgK41jFSR33Yg01CYbXmDi2pYOWxt0M6zXb317cX82fN5CNIORAnLTxEjrBiaKmwQglULOpG At+UOeFhj5Wi2c0J+JpOUllrCVTqoOsrWi26WAMF2ljVWMF0NeySCKZPdwV9e7/qx5759olgA yCYFyIg4RQBVjJcFbQfui8YFwvUqsumYhb0e+jOuLfMKLna0n+zxsB/iT2auVL+8yYGxqsqob SQZe0ceow/t1Jp8K/tvYiIMz/7dbWVef0beED1He0yNIx/vCXzF5bCeM9NO2uYc0o3yl5LKZ7 XriUQNyl6/A8hDB3ptr2OaZ2iP8DjUUNJ6qi7ZZ6+oBSmgXKTFDONg2pE//m60JJdErgfOn6Q kZAPFeH0YNZUW+Rvb84BtzNl/ceEjZMMJs8BxdDC5CQBnuUqgQLfpX03K+awk30PZZJZnEwsD pWCA9YUsr8KRE+a48uKw3n6uXPPu1ac9e95TejV/U47M20BmQYG9h9U/e1k97XVdWWjWtJiVf LLFocChNbu+mHnYs+66Z6/PxnAByqlhHOUSpBWmF0VRjExVqaQbOzwHrBuoTKxg9XZLHsa/Rv 0qtXIbzIolmB+cDp/ALsAkGONE Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 12:27:10 -0000 Hi Michael > On Sep 1, 2022, at 21:56, Michael Richardson via Starlink = wrote: >=20 >=20 > David Fern=C3=A1ndez via Starlink wrote: >> If Starlink satellites are processing IP packets, shouldn't them be >> shown in traceroutes? They are not shown now, AFAIK. >=20 > sadly, they aren't doing IP processing. > I don't think that they ever will decide to for NIH reasons. > I suspect that their SDN hardware probably can, and I think that SR6 = is > probably ideal for their use, but... Why would SR6 be better than any other "underlay" encapsulation = here, like MPLS or SR-MPLS? Naively put this seems to trade 4 byte per = label with a full 40 byte IPv6 header plus 8 bytes plus 16 bytes per = "label". Asking out of genuine curiosity what are those additional bytes = in overhead actually buying (except the freedom from MPLS). Regards Sebastian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink