From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 721363B29E for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2022 03:52:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1662105137; bh=SMCeJLK5H5OnfepZkCjTmrMsBrfiMntDfNJyqbZ3EE4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=g4Pw4KU5dm5YO0xL7FOYDFb6bN1RwQ4sJE7zTXNWRdpJXkOctEoaboKXPTAPuCUCV dUsqE1jbT1598iOOpN/6p9pEGLONFpaWf12WT4hv7HmuNnizBzSDHDf4nNT+J/mdwH GcJIymS5T1F+jaZhf1s9Tr5IRqxTdgbDIXUuLt3M= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MMXUD-1on3nK1TWR-00JXxt; Fri, 02 Sep 2022 09:52:17 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <778e01d8be47$061c67f0$125537d0$@evslin.com> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 09:52:15 +0200 Cc: Michael Richardson , Ulrich Speidel , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> <20220830220710.GA2653@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> <15982a40-2b34-7ed1-bfa3-bced03fc3839@auckland.ac.nz> <9CE05D69-FC37-4C97-9D8D-D46B2DF6DE16@gmx.de> <2321be3b-957f-2d1f-c335-119c8e76efe5@auckland.ac.nz> <8978587-42op-q175-2o41-qq9p4491459s@ynat.uz> <56e56b0f-07bd-fe0c-9434-2663ae9d4404@auckland.ac.nz> <63B8B233-DF84-4D60-884F-8A83B3ED7607@gmx.de> <15408.1662062057@localhost> <778e01d8be47$061c67f0$125537d0$@evslin.com> To: tom@evslin.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:R8fbevWzxknkQXyLCiKVnIIYJDAM0fHX3ctgHgjaGiAntYdz1Mz FuGAnZJ1uqFhzhmXXGClF1xxG1SXC0f6V1lsv0G5bzgEuIreEwSW1Xwxb5VBlUMRNTudp6s z91GTzVPD8hN/xgiL1Ra3T5ZOggTpAkzm+jQAFtDCbhquLZM8LESBJqtfr31IVbXLhjE6yN iKnXZclTu3JT8XCQpbW1g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:aoQCi/4cprA=:i7ab9y78wgnM7OjNsO75N4 WdXfj9r3m1noGqp+QYfTftFu9tXmBdDYZadDCXerSKfDaS4oYrsVm6fgdlimOcSzHMA0Yl2cy WM9W1F3Pyj+Tv5Ml7d8tTq9Qwb8Vi4yQbYIKNc+LoRHkKTTIxdyMymsCfSuLnLRhnXmDtVGpY UuBKCOBf9AbZNyeNKVhTVTST+cUZ1k5TO3lgN8f/ZrzkjaPrztbJg6ESvVaYRj/0obZ0TAhFy rRHtuafajwWiBVZuhHBVeKRyAEh6c1A0w0CHxhMt8EsF9gVTrLnhLlMdKVfyAQoaQ1qAAS3nr Gwfn3CQCWa/02VbGe6++QsalQygWzzdX3PpXsDBV/vQRTs3bVEYCiAIwOMdtmh0obMdbgspG6 hH3PEZ8MDJYsWVByGiFNuBHc5d3/ehPyyNkePFYBOMepzHBE7dLyEG4FV0iucrtyFogE+O63T 0HuCJ1QwslTlSyTGB/LY0wBdOvHNZ/26ytYIgXuFRDnALaZhL8xY/RGA91pf8VMfojmlUfGiD FFZEJItvRYfPqWL23wRO/mZklapKnunMas8C3zXuDl6SNKDeFARGvidMzl/pRqmwogd3vPc41 jBkjbuulOiGawLSO4g3v0pOQDJlVVx2sFGQyDwgKIGYnzKDcvuDk/4tl6tsawfCZ/Upk1LIz+ NAkzUexi52TdJo9Xc57SRH9/ykMFtdzua4pNCexTx4PeAsrBnDepvN5VfRPyBxCef4BIzy79K S7XqDKhgzw1LzfpPsyR/uXa/PmcE+ZqObi2A5EEL6/cjeQP2jWslgcrXg0gFUlYhY7sQVxe1k uswBpIvNSd+QOqSOzqVh8GgPEwY3tjGLNXeXZA39BZcePbkMGQ3iR+gW60xQVOSObc8hW2lKt PGz5G5MPqITTxZQm4TQ3J9905MnK8WrTz8JN2qMsO8JfG0SpnjflkpTXt3G3exOJyNG9zzMQ9 7jAVBintRO3QuiJ5jxxKqJd2aVMI1bGy7t7o7YBBLc93YzcJQqZWZewxahfVC35eSOFoXwFXQ C4+dRi3YYO0dsT5+3IlotPGTBIlWeaEsL1djiXORZmzMdT0nEMvoX1RidXLmndwUF3vqVllOh puL+yRIkKBZtwfU2LmOoLVsJDzvYggXsgt1nGXcv7IRWSMORYQNM0pgFN3M/9wU3mafhvn0kt 6CaTs3TaGCr9nAPWdVcijpfbjT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 07:52:28 -0000 Hi Tom, I wonder how etching would work with no gravity... Regards Sebastian > On Sep 1, 2022, at 23:08, Tom Evslin via Starlink = wrote: >=20 > I think manufacturing orbital datacenters in space is absolutely = necessary. Then, at no point, is a heavy set of frames needed to hold = the weight of the boards. Producing the chips in a real vacuum no = gravity environment may also allow radically different design >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Starlink On Behalf Of = Michael Richardson via Starlink > Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 3:54 PM > To: Ulrich Speidel ; = starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" >=20 >=20 > Is there any orbit other than GEO that would make CDNs in space = useful? >=20 > While current Starlink don't have lasers that could reach up to higher = orbits, maybe a subsequent generation could have such a thing. Maybe = there could even be a standard which OneWeb/StarLink/??? could all agree = to, and CDN satellites (with bigger solar panels and longer service = lifetimes) could be built to. >=20 > Having said all of this, it sure seems that the better place today for = CDNs > is within satellite serviced villages. Some may even remember the = Internet > Cache Protocol (ICP), which never really got anywhere (RFC2186). >=20 > There are perhaps energy arguments for moving datacenters to space, = but stuff just isn't reliable enough, and I'm sure it's a fail until you = manufacture in space. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink